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Passengers at British airports to be fingerprinted
"The Home Office's Border and Immigration Agency has confirmed that it is considering forcing airport operators to introduce the measures to increase security.
BAA, which operates seven UK airports, is keen to see the arrangement extended as it allows all passengers access to airside shopping malls, including its own chain of World Duty Free stores.
The Home Office says since 2004, visitors to America have been fingerprint-scanned and digitally photographed on arrival.
The proposed amendments will require fingerprints to be taken when passengers pass through security into the airside terminal.
Each passenger would place a hand on a scanner, which records four fingerprints, then would face a camera and be photographed."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/pol itics/lawandorder/2463357/Passengers-at-Britis h-airports-to-be-fingerprinted.html
Isn't it reassuring that we will be fighting terrorism and able do do duty free shopping. Such freedoms are worth fighting for.
BAA, which operates seven UK airports, is keen to see the arrangement extended as it allows all passengers access to airside shopping malls, including its own chain of World Duty Free stores.
The Home Office says since 2004, visitors to America have been fingerprint-scanned and digitally photographed on arrival.
The proposed amendments will require fingerprints to be taken when passengers pass through security into the airside terminal.
Each passenger would place a hand on a scanner, which records four fingerprints, then would face a camera and be photographed."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/pol itics/lawandorder/2463357/Passengers-at-Britis h-airports-to-be-fingerprinted.html
Isn't it reassuring that we will be fighting terrorism and able do do duty free shopping. Such freedoms are worth fighting for.
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Dungeon Jane - you seem to have neglected to answer my question - how many terrorist attacks have there been using planes that would have been prevented by fingerprinting
Finally, can you tell me who is going to be implementing this - the answer is Airport Operators - like BAA. And why do BAA want to do it? To make it easier for them to sell duty free.
Did the security service want longer detention periods? No - the government did.
And have you flown since 2001? Did you have a rabbit's paw? Or do you just fly petrified?
Finally, can you tell me who is going to be implementing this - the answer is Airport Operators - like BAA. And why do BAA want to do it? To make it easier for them to sell duty free.
Did the security service want longer detention periods? No - the government did.
And have you flown since 2001? Did you have a rabbit's paw? Or do you just fly petrified?
I agree totally with DungeonJayne. What I cannot understand is why some people harp on about nanny state and Big Brother when something like this crops up. We unfortunately live in a world where terrorists do not care who they kill and if there is a way we can prevent it happening whether it be when we travel or just going about our day to day lives then bring it on, DNA, ID cards, fingerprints the lot and along the way we may catch a few murderers and rapists or any other serious crimes committed by people who think they have got away with it. I do not see it as a breach of our freedom I see it as a necessity to survive . When we live in an ideal world then we can have ideal laws, but I fear that is a long way off if at all.
jennymac - Terrorist use computers to communicate with each other.
Why not ban all personal computers from home. You can very easily survive without one - and if you need to use one, you can go to a licensed internet cafe (which are monitored by the Government).
Would you be happy with this?
What about banning all mobile phones?
A woman was arrested last week on anti terror charges as the police thought she was trafficking her disabled son into the country. Note - she was not arrested for trafficking but under anti terror charges.
An 82 year old was arrested on anti terror charges for heckling Jack Straw at the labour party conference a few years back.
It is now illegal to demonstrate outside army bases and in Parliament Square thanks to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act. let me just repeat that - it is illegal to protest outside parliament.
Our anti terror laws allow us to hold people without charge for 30 days. That's longer than most other civilised countries - including Russia!
The reason people like me get passionate about this is because you are blindly following what the government say regardless of facts.
Remember, the Security services did not see a need to hold people for longer than 30 days, but the government decided that they knew better.
Apparently you seem to think that there is a sudden big risk of terrorism. More people have died from IRA bombs than Muslim bombs. And that has been going on for years and we didn't need all this legislation.
Why not ban all personal computers from home. You can very easily survive without one - and if you need to use one, you can go to a licensed internet cafe (which are monitored by the Government).
Would you be happy with this?
What about banning all mobile phones?
A woman was arrested last week on anti terror charges as the police thought she was trafficking her disabled son into the country. Note - she was not arrested for trafficking but under anti terror charges.
An 82 year old was arrested on anti terror charges for heckling Jack Straw at the labour party conference a few years back.
It is now illegal to demonstrate outside army bases and in Parliament Square thanks to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act. let me just repeat that - it is illegal to protest outside parliament.
Our anti terror laws allow us to hold people without charge for 30 days. That's longer than most other civilised countries - including Russia!
The reason people like me get passionate about this is because you are blindly following what the government say regardless of facts.
Remember, the Security services did not see a need to hold people for longer than 30 days, but the government decided that they knew better.
Apparently you seem to think that there is a sudden big risk of terrorism. More people have died from IRA bombs than Muslim bombs. And that has been going on for years and we didn't need all this legislation.
Vic when I say terrorist I mean anyone who terrorises(we are talking of older people not small children) I class IRA as terrorists dont you. Even the teens who terrorise their neighbourhoods and all this apparent random knive and gun attacks. People do not feel safe to go out during the day and even worse at night. When I went to America earlier this year I was fingerprinted and photographed and it took a couple of minutes more than the usual check in I did not have any objection to this in fact | was pleased that at least they are taking steps to not let undesirables into their country. We have an uphill struggle to resolve any form of lawlessness and I think we should support the measures they are taking to protect us. We are also not the only ones to not let demonstrations take place in front of government buildings when I went to Belgium a few years ago they took us on a tour past their government buildings and palaces and also told us they were banned from any demonstrations in front of them. Can you give me any instances when demonstrations have made a difference anyway. The point was not about demonstrations anyway and as for computers how do you know that our computers are not monitored now. I hope they do have a system in place like america where certain words are picked up on on computers and telephones I have no intention on bombing, killing or any other acts of atrocity but again I would feel safer knowing someone was watching over me and trying their hardest to protect me in the best way that they can.
brilliant idea .hope its at every airport absolutely fantastic.as a spanish resident i carry an id card with address age british passport number spanish nie number and also my right index finger fingerprint.as do all spanish over the age of 16 .
great idea and brill id and cuts fraud .
anyone with anything to hide be worried .
ive nothing to hide .
bring on the brit id cards ill get one too
fantastic idea
did this help ?
great idea and brill id and cuts fraud .
anyone with anything to hide be worried .
ive nothing to hide .
bring on the brit id cards ill get one too
fantastic idea
did this help ?
On demonstrations the biggest instance in demonstrations in the last 50 years making a difference that springs to mind would be the ayatollah khomeni who was exiled by iranian government then after mass demonstrations and protests he not only returned to iran he returned to rule the country .
similarly i tghink that mahatma ghandis protests of civil disobedience made great changes too .
though some may disagree with both choices here.
similarly i tghink that mahatma ghandis protests of civil disobedience made great changes too .
though some may disagree with both choices here.
The one time I've been to Florida, I got retina scanned, and fingerprint scanned. The queue at Immigration moved a lot more smoothly than it seems to in the UK.
The next day, at the Magic Kingdom, I had to give a fingerprint scan to get through the barrier. The barrier knew that I was who I said I was, because my fingerprint matched the one I had given at Orlando Airport.
Are you really telling me that Magic Kingdom have direct access to the US immigration computers?
Coz if you are I really don't believe you.
Or are you being so ironic that it's impossible to tell that you are?
The next day, at the Magic Kingdom, I had to give a fingerprint scan to get through the barrier. The barrier knew that I was who I said I was, because my fingerprint matched the one I had given at Orlando Airport.
Are you really telling me that Magic Kingdom have direct access to the US immigration computers?
Coz if you are I really don't believe you.
Or are you being so ironic that it's impossible to tell that you are?
Anyway, back to the matter in hand - how many terrorist attacks have there been using planes that would have been prevented by fingerprinting
Not really the question - or only part of it. You also need to ask how many WILL be prevented. I don't know the answer, but past performance may not be a guide to the future.
And how many would NEED to be prevented to justify the measures. Would one be enough? One a week? Or what?Again I don't know the answer.
Clearly some measures are needed (or would you have no pre-boarding security at all?). Where do you draw the line? Are we about right at the moment? Already gone too far? Too lenient?
Not really the question - or only part of it. You also need to ask how many WILL be prevented. I don't know the answer, but past performance may not be a guide to the future.
And how many would NEED to be prevented to justify the measures. Would one be enough? One a week? Or what?Again I don't know the answer.
Clearly some measures are needed (or would you have no pre-boarding security at all?). Where do you draw the line? Are we about right at the moment? Already gone too far? Too lenient?
I would say that at the moment we have to review it on an almost daily basis DZUG If we need to up the security so be it as it stands we appear to be OK but there again we do have intelligence to inform us of any threats which must come from somewhere maybe in the bugging we have already discussed maybe in just plain old policing but either way I feel a lot more safer flying since 9/11 and the extra security that followed and if more is needed I am all for it.
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