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Is it true that the Govt. are thinking of recruiting people with past convictions as Policemen. Have we become that desperate? When I was a kid, you could get a clip round the ear from the local Bobby for doing something trivial and he'd might even escort you home if it wasn't too far to tell your parents who would deal with you ! Now, they can't touch you for fear of being sued;same with the teachers---and they wonder why violent crime is on the increase. As for Police, we can expect them in the future to offer you something that fell off the back of a lorry,Guv;know what I mean and I'll let u off. Crazy world or what.
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I may sound flippant, but assure u I'm not.Two main reasons really to answer your question, bobs:
(a)A leopard never changes its spots.
(2) If the original offence involved assault. especially with an offensive or deadly weapon.
Otherwise I agree with you rehab. is fine, but not for somebody considering a police career as in my original question above esp. if they are predisposed to violence, in a me*lee*
(a)A leopard never changes its spots.
(2) If the original offence involved assault. especially with an offensive or deadly weapon.
Otherwise I agree with you rehab. is fine, but not for somebody considering a police career as in my original question above esp. if they are predisposed to violence, in a me*lee*
Who says a leopard never changes its spots? George Bush has a conviction and is the supposed leader of the free world. There are many people in society who have had turbulent pasts and turn their lives around. That's the whole idea of the rehabilitation system. There are plenty of policemen who dabble in drugs, get in fights in nightclubs etc. They are only human after all.
Point taken. Only I would't mention Bush as an example!(see what he's done to America in the eyes of the World)I'm only saying its sad we've got to the stage where we have to hire rehabed ex-cons. for position of authority when once it would have been unthinkable.
The police already have a hard time with the media and public.Hiring an ex-(rehabilateated) con as a policeman would only put them in a poorer light if that's possible.Don't get me wrong.I really do believe in rehab.,,I'm just questioning the severity of the offence versus intended job. I had to have a CRB (which is clean)check for my job and if I did anything wrong now, I would have to face the consequences and depend on rehab. to hold on to my job or if I lost it, get another one.
The police already have a hard time with the media and public.Hiring an ex-(rehabilateated) con as a policeman would only put them in a poorer light if that's possible.Don't get me wrong.I really do believe in rehab.,,I'm just questioning the severity of the offence versus intended job. I had to have a CRB (which is clean)check for my job and if I did anything wrong now, I would have to face the consequences and depend on rehab. to hold on to my job or if I lost it, get another one.
Bobs .... oddly enough, the Police Federation doesn't agree with you, and neither do most members of society. Would you want someone who dabbled in drugs or has a penchant for violence to be handling a "tazer" or CS spray or a high powered response vehicle? If you want to uphold the law you need to have some respect for it.
What's next? .... rehabilitated paedos looking after our kids in schools?
What's next? .... rehabilitated paedos looking after our kids in schools?
Three quotes from your post, and my responses:
Quote 1:
"Is it true that the Govt. are thinking of recruiting people with past convictions as Policemen"
Response:
While the Home Office lay down the basic rules for recruiting police officers, each police force is free to set its own entry requirements. There's nothing new in what you write. The Metropolitan Police already accept candidates with some minor, spent convictions.
Quote 2:
"When I was a kid, you could get a clip round the ear from the local Bobby for doing something trivial and he'd might even escort you home if it wasn't too far to tell your parents who would deal with you"
Response:
If, at the the age of 10, your mates egged you on to nick a Mars bar from the newsagents, that probably what would have been the result. You'd have got a clip round the ear from the copper and a sore backside from your parents, but you wouldn't have got a criminal record. These days, almost anyone who infringes any law, even at a very early age, ends up with a criminal record. (I'm not claiming that either the 'old' or the 'new' way of doing things is better - that's another debate. I'm simply stating that things have changed). I fail to see why someone who commits a minor offence as a 10-year-old (and never gets into trouble with the law again) should be barred from joining the police when he applies in his mid-twenties. (i.e. common sense dictates that the police should ignore a minor indiscretion when the applicant was still a child).
Quote 3:
" . . .and they wonder why violent crime is on the increase"
Response:
Bollox! Violent crime has been falling every year for over a decade. (It's now 41% lower than in 1995).
Chris
Quote 1:
"Is it true that the Govt. are thinking of recruiting people with past convictions as Policemen"
Response:
While the Home Office lay down the basic rules for recruiting police officers, each police force is free to set its own entry requirements. There's nothing new in what you write. The Metropolitan Police already accept candidates with some minor, spent convictions.
Quote 2:
"When I was a kid, you could get a clip round the ear from the local Bobby for doing something trivial and he'd might even escort you home if it wasn't too far to tell your parents who would deal with you"
Response:
If, at the the age of 10, your mates egged you on to nick a Mars bar from the newsagents, that probably what would have been the result. You'd have got a clip round the ear from the copper and a sore backside from your parents, but you wouldn't have got a criminal record. These days, almost anyone who infringes any law, even at a very early age, ends up with a criminal record. (I'm not claiming that either the 'old' or the 'new' way of doing things is better - that's another debate. I'm simply stating that things have changed). I fail to see why someone who commits a minor offence as a 10-year-old (and never gets into trouble with the law again) should be barred from joining the police when he applies in his mid-twenties. (i.e. common sense dictates that the police should ignore a minor indiscretion when the applicant was still a child).
Quote 3:
" . . .and they wonder why violent crime is on the increase"
Response:
Bollox! Violent crime has been falling every year for over a decade. (It's now 41% lower than in 1995).
Chris
I'd like to know on who's statistics you are quoting ! Can you leave your door open now for the neighbour to come in for a chat as in the old days. I bet you've you got deadbolts and an alarm system in your place! Also, Chris try not to swear if you happen to meet the families of the 29 young people who've lost their lives this year (so far) to reassure them violent crime is down by 41% since 1995!
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uno.who. On the whole I agree with you completely but I know of a few policemen who have smoked a joint and got into a nightclub fight in their time - both of which are drug and violent crimes. This does not make them unsuitable for law enforcement - after all their job is law enforcement and if they are more than capable of doing that then I'm happy with that. The question here is - where do you draw the line??
Another quote:
"I'd like to know on who's statistics you are quoting !!
Another response:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/red ucing-crime/violent-crime/
Chris
"I'd like to know on who's statistics you are quoting !!
Another response:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/red ucing-crime/violent-crime/
Chris
Oh come on Chris.Using and believing Govt. figures is like saying to kids I'll let you ride with Santa On Xmas night.For independent statistics go to :
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576076/Violent-youth-crime-up-a-third.html
Problem is there'll always be stats. to support your argument. I don't think ex--offenders who have done time for murder, GBH, Rape or paedophilia should ever be considered suitable candidates for the Police.Just cos you may take drugs and you know a policeman who dabbles, doesn't mean he's mot only human, but potentiately dangerous as well esp. if drugs were "Class a" he was using.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576076/Violent-youth-crime-up-a-third.html
Problem is there'll always be stats. to support your argument. I don't think ex--offenders who have done time for murder, GBH, Rape or paedophilia should ever be considered suitable candidates for the Police.Just cos you may take drugs and you know a policeman who dabbles, doesn't mean he's mot only human, but potentiately dangerous as well esp. if drugs were "Class a" he was using.
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