new identity for baby p's mother

[danchip]

taxpayers are to foot the multimillion pound bill for a new identity when she is released from jail in as little as 5 years

[redcrx]

"persuaded to 'voluntarily' undergo sterilisation"

that sounds like forced to me lol

[Oneeyedvic]

They haven't been sentenced yet....

[netibiza]

<neti gets her knitting ready!!> Now which way to the gallows!!!!

[4getmenot]

good point oneyedvic, can I just ask you dont live in Lincoln do you?

[4getmenot]

And nat are you taking something I;ve just merely copied of a website as true? Lol :-)

[Oneeyedvic]

No sorry, I live in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk

[4getmenot]

ok must be a different oneeyedvic :-)

[danchip]

so you'd all be happy if a paedophile was given a new identity and moved into your area

[4getmenot]

No one has said that but who knows who lives near them or what there past is

[tigerlily11]

Just because I hate what she did does not mean I want the death sentece for her and the other two.
It doesn't work.
There are so many countries with a death sentence in place and the murder rate is still very high.
People who commit murder don't think the y will be caught. I suspect she seriously thought the authorities would put his death down to accidental causes.
The whole prison system needs to be changed.
Punishement should mean punishament and any human rights you have should be removed.
If you can't behave like a reasonable human being then you should not have those rights to protect you.
This then leaves a wider interpretaion of that rule open for easier disisions.
Then when it is decided that you killed with malice and you killed in a way that any reasonable person would consider horrific as in this case, or you allowed some one to die in hidious conditions without trying to stop it, then if no mental aboration can be found, you lose your rights to be treated as a human being.
This is some thing that applies to the welfare of animals so why not apply it to murder, of children in particular.

[danchip]

i dont believe giving this woman and the step father a new identity is wrong because i want them to die i believe it is wrong because of the affects it may have on other people, if a woman doesn't know who the guy is and gets involved with him then she may unknowingly be putting her own children or children they may have together at risk, people shouldbe aware of what these people have done in the past and then they can make an informed decision with regard to the future

[Quinlad]

You're got your arguments muddled up there.

What you're complaining about is the sentence - which you feel should be either the death penalty or far longer in jail. You should focus on that.

Instead, you're talking about the rights of someone who has served their time and is now back amongst society - as if the sentence itself isn't the issue.

[Whoever]

Until we have a society where wrongdoers are adequately punished for their crimes - and this includes facing the public humiliation and embarrassment of being named and shamed, we will never have an environment where others will be deterred.

[B00]

We had the stocks a couple of hundred years ago for naming and shaming- it didn't seem to erradicate crime then either.

[Ethel]

Whoever, some US states have the death penalty; some other countries have stoning and other forms of public punishment.

It is no deterrent. If it were, there would be no prisoners on death row in America, and no stonings, beheadings,hands cutting off in other countries.

And I don't believe for one minute this society you refer to would be content with humiliating and embarrassing an offender - do you?

[jno]

redcrx

"persuaded to 'voluntarily' undergo sterilisation"

that sounds like forced to me lol

...well, maybe they could be offered M&S vouchers to encourage them to volunteer...

[ELVIS68]

People who think that a jail term is enough punishment for these people and that they should be given a second chance are scum

The 3 involved in this horrific episode should be given a lethal injection and the social services involved in this case should be given jail sentences

[tigerlily11]

Elvis, that poor little soul suffered months if not all of his short, little life at the hands of these people. Why should they be granted a quick and relitively painless death?

[MrsBobbins]

My sincerest wish is that all three of these monsters are murdered in prison just as they are nearing the end of their sentences thus eradicating the need for new identities upon release. With any luck they will also face daily abuse on every level from their fellow inmates.