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The BNP
I know they have a bad past, and still have a few member you wouldn't want to bump into in a dark alley, but does anyone else feel that if you wrote down every parties poilicies and didn't know what party they were from you'd probabily vote for them. Maybe theirproblem isn't the "product" its the "marketing"...anyway que 100 hysterical RACIST posts!! God bless the champagne socialist.
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Okay got that link working now Ad, thanks for that.
I thought the original question was regarding whether the BNP was suitable for power not whether Harriet Harman is an idot?
I oppose completely anything as lunatical as decriminalising child porn, but other political parties stupidity on some issues still does not make the BNP any fitter for office than most chimps.
For sure there are enormous problems with most political parties, but of all of them the BNP really do take the biscuit, and you've yet to address any of the points I've made as to their unsuitability in any of my posts.
I thought the original question was regarding whether the BNP was suitable for power not whether Harriet Harman is an idot?
I oppose completely anything as lunatical as decriminalising child porn, but other political parties stupidity on some issues still does not make the BNP any fitter for office than most chimps.
For sure there are enormous problems with most political parties, but of all of them the BNP really do take the biscuit, and you've yet to address any of the points I've made as to their unsuitability in any of my posts.
There was a storm of protest over the idea of giving illegal immigrants money to go home (even if it worked out cheaper than forcefully repatriating them through the courts) the B.N.P will be just as corrupt as any other party if they got their hands on the levers of power.
It is also very true, that the rebuttals have not been counted.
I would not vote B.N.P because they're idiots, in the last election broadcast (I saw) they showed a Sikh man (almost certainly a V.J.P advocate) to prove their non-racist credentials not realising that all nationalists hate other peoples, they're different sides to the same coin. Followed by Nick Griffin punching the sky ruefully whilst walking past a Spitfire, t0sser, modern politics have nothing to do with the war.
It is also very true, that the rebuttals have not been counted.
I would not vote B.N.P because they're idiots, in the last election broadcast (I saw) they showed a Sikh man (almost certainly a V.J.P advocate) to prove their non-racist credentials not realising that all nationalists hate other peoples, they're different sides to the same coin. Followed by Nick Griffin punching the sky ruefully whilst walking past a Spitfire, t0sser, modern politics have nothing to do with the war.
does anyone else feel that if you wrote down every parties poilicies and didn't know what party they were from you'd probabily vote for them
Not personally. Neither I think would anyone I know.
Sadly, however, I do think that the British public as a whole probably would choose them.
But here's the thing. I know we harp on about how great our country is and all, but the simple, unassailable fact - and I kinda hate to say this - is that a good proportion of the British public are stupid. Really, genuinely, thick. Grossly misinformed by hysterical tabloids, base and simplistic views on just about everything that are quite detached from complicated realities and staggeringly ignorant.
Now, not everyone who supports the BNP is necessarily stupid. But their policies sing from the same hymn sheet. Autarky? In this day and age? It's unsustainable, has a dismal track record, and would severely downgrade standard of living. Their immigration policy is laughable - it's completely impractical and would likely destroy the health service (and catering industry) overnight. It's grounded on really simplistic, dumb assumptions that don't compare with reality.
Not personally. Neither I think would anyone I know.
Sadly, however, I do think that the British public as a whole probably would choose them.
But here's the thing. I know we harp on about how great our country is and all, but the simple, unassailable fact - and I kinda hate to say this - is that a good proportion of the British public are stupid. Really, genuinely, thick. Grossly misinformed by hysterical tabloids, base and simplistic views on just about everything that are quite detached from complicated realities and staggeringly ignorant.
Now, not everyone who supports the BNP is necessarily stupid. But their policies sing from the same hymn sheet. Autarky? In this day and age? It's unsustainable, has a dismal track record, and would severely downgrade standard of living. Their immigration policy is laughable - it's completely impractical and would likely destroy the health service (and catering industry) overnight. It's grounded on really simplistic, dumb assumptions that don't compare with reality.
I wouldn't vote BNP because I wont subscribe to the politics of hate. There are Muslim fanatics spouting terrible things, but the Muslims I know are no different from the average Joe in the street and despise the extremists as much as you or me. The major parties do have to address peoples concerns about the level of immigration, but it doesn't have to be done in a mad, xenophobic manner.
Sometimes life isn't as rosy as we'd like it to be. And the more disappointed people become by where they are in life, the more they turn to right-wing politics. It's the politics of bitterness and, I hate to say it, selfishness.
Here's why: people find it hard to come to terms with their own ineptitude. No one likes to admit that their plight is almost entirely down to their own abilities and effort - and that it's up to them to better themselves or work harder or make a change if they want to climb the ladder.
If their job doesn't pay what they'd like, if they can't go on fancy holidays, if they're miserable with their lot, it's much easier to look around and point the finger. 'The reason I'm broke isn't down to me, it's down to aslylum seekers taking all our money, or single mums being given handouts, or black people receiving positive discrimination'. Suddenly, life becomes a game of comparisons, where you focus less on your own life and more on those around you. It becomes hard to stomach anyone having an easier ride than you.
If someone's getting something that you're not, it makes you angry and you resent them for it. Sometimes this is real, most times it's imaginary. But when the guy running the succesful local convenience store was born in Bangladesh and is earning more than you, he becomes a legitimate hate figure. And if that person has the gall to disagree or follow a different lifestyle to yours, then it's even easier to spit scorn at them.
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Here's why: people find it hard to come to terms with their own ineptitude. No one likes to admit that their plight is almost entirely down to their own abilities and effort - and that it's up to them to better themselves or work harder or make a change if they want to climb the ladder.
If their job doesn't pay what they'd like, if they can't go on fancy holidays, if they're miserable with their lot, it's much easier to look around and point the finger. 'The reason I'm broke isn't down to me, it's down to aslylum seekers taking all our money, or single mums being given handouts, or black people receiving positive discrimination'. Suddenly, life becomes a game of comparisons, where you focus less on your own life and more on those around you. It becomes hard to stomach anyone having an easier ride than you.
If someone's getting something that you're not, it makes you angry and you resent them for it. Sometimes this is real, most times it's imaginary. But when the guy running the succesful local convenience store was born in Bangladesh and is earning more than you, he becomes a legitimate hate figure. And if that person has the gall to disagree or follow a different lifestyle to yours, then it's even easier to spit scorn at them.
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Look at the policies of the BNP and almost all of them boil down to 'What about me?' For all the talk about the good of society and the nation and collective spirit, these right wing maxims seduce people because they're all about making sure they're alright. It's short-sighted me, me, me politics.
Of course, no one likes to think they're earning minimum wage because they didn't apply themselves at school or they can't be bothered to do a computing course or finish the apprenticeship they started. That's why the right pepper their material with talk of 'hard working' families and why everyone whinges that 'I've worked hard for 30 years'. Have you? Hard? Or have you just chugged along and now your mindlife crisis is kicking in, you're looking for a scapegoat - one that's easy to spot because they have dark skin or a funny accent?
Take some personal responsibility, cut down on the whinging and cheer up. You might enjoy life more.
Look at the policies of the BNP and almost all of them boil down to 'What about me?' For all the talk about the good of society and the nation and collective spirit, these right wing maxims seduce people because they're all about making sure they're alright. It's short-sighted me, me, me politics.
Of course, no one likes to think they're earning minimum wage because they didn't apply themselves at school or they can't be bothered to do a computing course or finish the apprenticeship they started. That's why the right pepper their material with talk of 'hard working' families and why everyone whinges that 'I've worked hard for 30 years'. Have you? Hard? Or have you just chugged along and now your mindlife crisis is kicking in, you're looking for a scapegoat - one that's easy to spot because they have dark skin or a funny accent?
Take some personal responsibility, cut down on the whinging and cheer up. You might enjoy life more.
To answer your question Admarlow - yes, in all likelihood, people if looking at policies may well vote for the BNP. The trouble with the question is not about the actual policies but about implementing the policies.
How about the VIC party:
I would ensure that every person on Answerbank didn't pay tax.
Your bins would be emptied every day.
Council Red tape would be axed
No class sizes in school of over 15 children.
Lower council tax.
All city workers earning over �1 Million to be taxed heavily.
Free sky channels to all homes.
Do they sound like good policies? Do you think I could implement any of them? Do you think I have thought through any of them?
How about the VIC party:
I would ensure that every person on Answerbank didn't pay tax.
Your bins would be emptied every day.
Council Red tape would be axed
No class sizes in school of over 15 children.
Lower council tax.
All city workers earning over �1 Million to be taxed heavily.
Free sky channels to all homes.
Do they sound like good policies? Do you think I could implement any of them? Do you think I have thought through any of them?
My personal fave was the one where no one paid tax until you earn 15k per annum! How has that been costed? What thought process has gone into that and how are they going to find the billions of pounds needed to replace that income source?
Then theres the cost of replacing all the nurses and doctors that they want to get rid of, sorry not just get rid of PAY them to LEAVE!!!!!!? The NHS is struggling as it is and they want to get rid of staff?
Sorry but if you think that is good policy you need the power to vote taken away from you because you are an absolute retard!
Then theres the cost of replacing all the nurses and doctors that they want to get rid of, sorry not just get rid of PAY them to LEAVE!!!!!!? The NHS is struggling as it is and they want to get rid of staff?
Sorry but if you think that is good policy you need the power to vote taken away from you because you are an absolute retard!
What are the BNP's financial policies?
1/ Would they leave control of interest rates with the BOE?
2/ If not what would they set Interest rates at?
3/ Would they continue the policy of Quantitative easment and how much and for how long?
4/ Would they continue the policy of Guaranteeing Bank deposits, part nationalising failing banks?
5/ What levels of public spending would they set?
6/ Would they continue with current local taxation? cap it? introduce a new method?
Loads more but that will do for now.
When they can answer these questions
WITH NUMBERS
they will have the start of an economic policy and might be a serious (if unpleasant) party
But they can't and theyre not
1/ Would they leave control of interest rates with the BOE?
2/ If not what would they set Interest rates at?
3/ Would they continue the policy of Quantitative easment and how much and for how long?
4/ Would they continue the policy of Guaranteeing Bank deposits, part nationalising failing banks?
5/ What levels of public spending would they set?
6/ Would they continue with current local taxation? cap it? introduce a new method?
Loads more but that will do for now.
When they can answer these questions
WITH NUMBERS
they will have the start of an economic policy and might be a serious (if unpleasant) party
But they can't and theyre not
I wont comment on the bnp here now.
Last time i did a really nice user on here said i was an idiot because they are all lovely people.
And he knows cos hes got family high up in the bnp !!
What i will say is in reply to someone who posted about fighting the nazis and this country.
Well many did , but many of the aristocracy along with moseley and his blackshirts were in favour of joining the nazis side , as were some of the royal family too allegedly.
There will always be an appeal to extremists like the bnp and similarly for muslims towards these extreme muslim groups.
Its all games.
Last time i did a really nice user on here said i was an idiot because they are all lovely people.
And he knows cos hes got family high up in the bnp !!
What i will say is in reply to someone who posted about fighting the nazis and this country.
Well many did , but many of the aristocracy along with moseley and his blackshirts were in favour of joining the nazis side , as were some of the royal family too allegedly.
There will always be an appeal to extremists like the bnp and similarly for muslims towards these extreme muslim groups.
Its all games.
Our politicians have been given warnings over and over again, but still they will not listen to the people.
The majority of us can see where this country is heading but no one listens.
We now find ourselves in the biggest recession known for years, the man in the street knew a couple of years ago where we were heading, but not the so called experts.
Immigration is completely out of control, but no one listens. Now the time has come when people are losing their jobs, their houses etc, but still no one listens.
It was in this situation that the Nazis rose to power, Hitler promised the German people what they wanted to hear, an end to to the rapid rise of inflation, which had in the past been a licence to print money. He also promised them full employement, and finally he promised Germany would return to the Germany pre WW1.
These were not empty promises, the German people got all these things. He got back full employment by the building of the autobahn, Car manufacture, Ship building, aeroplane manufacture, yes the German people had it good, for a while.
The void we now find ourselves in, is ideal for someone to step up and promise the British people what they want to hear, and he will also get into power.
Be warned!!!!!!!
The majority of us can see where this country is heading but no one listens.
We now find ourselves in the biggest recession known for years, the man in the street knew a couple of years ago where we were heading, but not the so called experts.
Immigration is completely out of control, but no one listens. Now the time has come when people are losing their jobs, their houses etc, but still no one listens.
It was in this situation that the Nazis rose to power, Hitler promised the German people what they wanted to hear, an end to to the rapid rise of inflation, which had in the past been a licence to print money. He also promised them full employement, and finally he promised Germany would return to the Germany pre WW1.
These were not empty promises, the German people got all these things. He got back full employment by the building of the autobahn, Car manufacture, Ship building, aeroplane manufacture, yes the German people had it good, for a while.
The void we now find ourselves in, is ideal for someone to step up and promise the British people what they want to hear, and he will also get into power.
Be warned!!!!!!!
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