animal testing

[winned]

One things for sure; animals have different effects from a drug than a human does, because they have a different body. Over half of newly approved drugs on the market in the US have to be withdrawn because they are dangerous and animal testing didn't spot this. The case is similar in the UK. Although new drugs do have to go through rigourous testing and other research except animal testing, it's the animal testing which does not show the truth and sci-wiffs the truth. Therefore ALL animal testing should be banned. Benylin and contac 400 kill between 200-500 people a year in the UK. NO animal testing is helpfull, even on testing on the same species, meaning testing on humans for humans is not helpfull. The stress animals/humans can go through in testing effects their biochemistry, therefore effecting the effect of a drug. Computer modelling and simulations are far more superior because computers are so powerfull all effects of a drug can be found, unlike what vivisectors can do. Roche pharmaceuticals marketed a new heart drug from the effectiveness of a virtual heart. Complete organs can be grown in petri dishes (even human skin) and MRI, CAT and PET scanners can show the WHOLE functioning body, accurately and ethically.

[kags]

what is the question?

[Rabelais]

It never ceases to amaze me the baffling stupidity of people on occasions. Where do you think they get the data for simulations for, you dolt. At best computer simulations are an idealised poor imitation of the animals they have been programmed to reproduce. Even if it weren't a pack of lies that, "Benylin and contac 400 kill between 200-500 people a year in the UK" how many people do you think such drugs would kill if they hadn't been screened on animals? Do you know how big a Petri Dish is and where do these cultured organs come from? Do you know what PET/CAT/MRI scanners actually do? If so how would they help you to assess a drugs efficacy? You'll be glad to know the vast majority of animals that are used are for things like making sure you plastic gloves and weedkillers don't make your hands go red. And what about veterinary medicines what should we test those on?

[Phantaxus]

there is an article on animal testing in the current issue of Focus (its a magazine). By the way complete organs cannot yet be grown in the Lab but it is possible to grow tissue. The problem with complete organ growth is organising the tissue into complex structures.

[bernardo]

what is the question?

[IggyB]

ummmm... no. I think that covers it.

[DuzyEverwork]

I dunno what the question is either but it puts me in mind of a joke about two laboratory rabbits who escape and the older one says to the younger one.. 'see all that green stuff, thats grass, that it.. an us rabbits eat it!' the younger rabbit looks unimpressed, so the old one says 'see that bright thing up there in the blue stuff..thats the sun in the sky and us rabbits love to be warm and romp about in the grass'.. as the younger rabbit still looks unimpressed the old one says.. whats the matter with you then? and the young one says... 'I've got to go back, I'm dying for a fag'... made me laugh, but then perhaps my sense of humour is suspect!!

[Hamish]

Hi winned, first hand info this is it? Worked in the field? Have any grasp of how stats, computer modles, MRI, CAT and PET work? (You missed out a big long list of other techniques!). Perhaps before you launch a generalised and uninformed attack you should spend some time trying to develop drugs without any testing......

Hamish

[leanne cash]

i hate animal testing and itshould be banned!!!