http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211414/Anti-fascists-clash-right-wing-protesters-Birmingham.html

[anotheoldgit]

[anotheoldgit]

Thanks to this new site this is only way to post a question.

That is to put the link into the narrow title space, and then answer your own space.

Bring back the old site.

Anyway the question I wish to ask is why do the Anti-facists groups always gate crash peaceful protests?

This is what the English Defence League said,

'We would like to state that anyone who wishes to cause trouble, or use this demonstration to voice any other issues other than Islamic fundamentalists, radical Islam and Sharia will be turned away.

'We are not a fascist organisation and urge anyone who knows of anybody who is intent on causing trouble on the day to contact us.'

In the attached photos It is interesting to note that the police seem to be taking a much stronger stance against the English Defence League, than the real trouble makers

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/05/article-1211414-064D5643000005DC-341_634x356.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/05/article-1211414-064D5AD1000005DC-76_634x348.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/05/article-1211414-064CC471000005DC-198_634x501.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/05/article-1211414-064D45AD000005DC-3

[Whickerman]

I guess because to the majority - though possibly not to all Mail readers - the likes of the EDL are simply unacceptable? they may not see themselves as fascist but quite a few do. They are described as a far-Right group, even by Murdoch's media outlets. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6790067.ece

'we are not a fascist organisation' they state. They may be, they may not be. seems they are being organised by a BNP member? They are also linked to organised football hooliganism - that took a minute to find out; I guess that's why the police were gunning for them. See their site casualsunited.webs.com where despite the claim of 'no religious hatred here', it's a vehemently anti Islamic site

Freedom of speech however is something that should never be stifled, by anyone. Is a violent reaction acceptable? Not in my eyes. But neither is their threat to carryout their actions in secret to avoid the police... that is a dangerous precedent.

I think I've addressed your questions, but there are more that can be asked. The main one is have they a point? Is Islam becoming a threat? That's possibly for a different thread but has definitely been addressed here ad nauseum.

[fredpuli47]

I think it's very noble and sweet of some 70 people to meet in a public place in Birmingham to protest, not anti-Islam but against crimes of terrorism committed in the name of Islam, the more so when they are doing it in defence of the English. I never knew that the defence of Islam was such a priority with any non-moslem, let alone a group which includes a member of the BNP. It must have come as a great shock to them to find that they were misunderstood and that there was any trouble.

[VHG]

So the organization complaining about extreme Muslims have been branced as "facists".

Yet it is the Muslims who planted bombs on underground trains and killed and injured hundreds of innocent people.

I dont remember anybody from the BNP ever planting bombs on buses or trains.

I think I know who is the "enemy" here.

[youngmafbog]

Expect to see more of this.

It will of course most likely end up in civil war. Hopefully not in my lifetime but that is the way it is going. Muslims vs the rest of the world will happen.

[Quinlad]

Yeah, woooh, scary.

I wonder who the next hobbyhorse 'enemy of civilisation' will be?

We've done the Jews, the Irish and the Blacks. And now it's the Muslims' turn.

I reckon it'll be the Luvanians or the the Piresans. Opinion polls certainly suggest that.