Tracing marriage info in the 1800's

[Polly1958]

I am trying to trace the maiden name of my G,G,Grandfathers wife.Am i right in thinking that as i have found a volume and page number that is the same as the one given next to my G,G,Grandfathers name and in the same year and quarter that she would be the one?Thanks in advance,Polly

[dothawkes31]

I've not been able to find your James and Mary (Ann) Whitter on the 1881 census Craft!!!! Can you double check? Unless they were not in Wigan ,

[craft1948]

No dot....I couldn't find them either....

[Polly1958]

If Thomas was still at home in 1871and the eldest child was born in 1871 that means he married between those dates but there is,
isn't a Thomas Whitter in the marriage index married anywhere near those dates.Thanks dot and craft for your work while ive been absent.

[craft1948]

I have the eldest child Ellen born in 1873...........there is a Thomas Witter married in Bolton in 1872 but the records have not been transcribed correctly and you cannot see who he married. Personally I'd fork out £7.00 for a copy of one of the children's birth certificates to get the answer.

[Polly1958]

If Thomas was still at home home in1871 and his daughter Ellen was born in 1873 he must have married some where in between those dates yet there is'nt a Thomas Whitter born anywhere near those dates.Unless as you say it was a "shotgun wedding"Thankyou dot and craft for beavering away ,only just got back in.

[Polly1958]

Yes i think a birth certificate is the answer,its driving me crazy.

[craft1948]

I use..................
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

[dothawkes31]

you know they may not have married until the children were older, especially as we have not found any baptisms at either Wiganm or Standish for the children, all the baptisms for those two parishes are on the IGI way beyond 1870, there were no other Parish Churches they could take their children to, unless of course they were non-conformists, did I mention before about the Methodists in Pemberton and Standish?

[craft1948]

I don't know dot......would they lie on the 1911 census?

[craft1948]

right I've had about 6 people on Genes Reunited trying to find it and they can't either...they recommend the birth certificate option.......

[dothawkes31]

If they had married in the early 1870s, unless they are transcribed onto the index with the wrong names, we would have found them i am sure. Their eldes child on the 1881 census was 8 wasn't she, and the birth you found in 1873, not sure what Q, and that means in 1881 she was 8, so in 1911, if they had married BEFORE Ellen was born there is at least 2 years of their marriage they are having memory loss on!!!! 1873 from 1911 is 38. Didn;t they write 36? That would mean they married after Ellen arrived, what Q was her birth registered in?

[dothawkes31]

plus in 1911 they have a 37 year old son!!!!

[craft1948]

Can't find the birth registration dot.......the 1873 date is purely from censuses. However there is a death registration for Ellen Whitter registered in Wigan in 1893 giving an estimated birth date of 1872.

[dothawkes31]

oh right! The MIs for Standish have been recorded actually, unless she was buried in Gidlow cemetary, that was open then. I wonder why the sons were not married in 1911?