Should she face prosecution?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....-room-gave-birth.html

It is not clear from this report whether or not this mother to be, asked for this member of staff to be removed because of the person's gender, colour, religion or for whatever other reason.

But I ask, should she have had the right or not?

If for instance she had been a Muslin, and she had asked to be attended to by a female only, or indeed persons of her religion, would this had also been libel to an investigation?

[daffy654]

You would find it almost impossible in England to find a delivery suite with only white staff employed. The woman was obviously being rather unrealistic and unreasonable in my opinion. What if the only person qualified to perform her caesarian had been black?

[sp1814]

As hospitals aren't obliged to accede to patient's wishes on purely racial grounds (as opposed to religious), I would suggest that they ask her to pack her bags and go find and all White hospital. Perhaps in Wiltshire or Surrey.

[sp1814]

WAS the member of staff in a burkha? Do you have a link?

I ask because the link to the Mail story doesn't identify the race/religion of the person in question.

[B00]

Yes she'd the right to ask- whether those demands or wishes were granted though was purely down to the hospital.

Can I just ask, as im genuinely curious, are asian women allowed to have a male midwife attend to them?

[Ankou]

bit of a shit 'news' story though isnit.

"It was not clear yesterday whether she was referring to black employees, those of Asian origin, or any other staff"

for all we know she could have been saying get that scotsman out of here and tell him to take his can of super tenants with him.

if she chooses to eject qualififed profesionals from the room, then she is endangering the procedure and her flife/baby's life. in that instance she shold be requested to sign a discalimer to accept that a person qualified to do x has been rejected, considered as acting non compos mentis and ignored, or her have the procedure delayed until a qualified replacement can be located in/or out of the hospital.

what would you choose aog ? clocks ticking, tick tock

[ELVIS68]

Clocks ticking??

What is this, Countdown?....I`ll have a Veil please

[AndThenSome]

for all we know she could have been saying get that scotsman out of here and tell him to take his can of super tenants with him.

Lol, true!

[B00]

Hmmm, interesting. Seeing as no one answered my question yet, I went Googling and found this....

"Whilst in the main the feminine pronoun has been used when designating the midwife, it is recognised that midwives may be male. When dealing with some cultures a male midwife may be unacceptable to both the woman and her family. This is a problem that has not been explored in this work although it is acknowledged that it is an important issue to consider"

While it seems that some women are pandered to down to their religeous or cultural belief and is seemed as acceptable, how is it any different to this case?

[mollykins]

I think this is similar, but sometimes, at a gp surgery, they ask if you would prefer someone of your own gender. Is this any different?

[Ankou]

my view is that when anyone refuses nhs treatment by any specific person then there is an investigation/inquiry.

so in aogs dreary allusion to the muslim, yes there would be an investigation. drone.

[mollykins]

and don't muslim women not have to right to most medical treatment because it involves a doctor (only allowed to be a man) to look at her. But would this not apply if the husband was a doctor treating his wife, but is that not allowed like it is here?

[anotheoldgit]

Would a white accused person, be allowed to reject black persons from a jury?

[Quinlad]

"Ebony and ivory
Live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard
Oh Lord
Why dont we?"

I think we can all take something from those words right now.

[JimT]

My favourite response is the one from Ankou, quoting the bit that basically says "we don't actually know what happened." Bear that in mind, then look down the list of responses below the article. It shows how much people's one-track minds fill in the blanks, with a story that's pretty much ALL blanks.

There's nothing to see here. Move on, move on.

[Ankou]

aog, the defendant has the right to challenge the whole jury on the basis that it has been chosen in an unrepresentative or biased way. They may also make a challenge for cause, on the following grounds:
• juror is not qualified to serve;
• juror is biased;
• juror may reasonably be suspected of bias.
the issue is then tried by the judge.

peremptory challenges were abolished in the 80s.

so yes (drone), “a white accused person, be allowed to (submit a request to) reject black persons from a jury?” but only on solid grounds and the final decision is with the judge.

now you can answer my question.

[socket2008]

Anyone has the right to talk to or have anything to do with anyone they choose. There will be those out there that won't go into a shop because the owner is a known BNP member or have anything to do with a doctor because he is gay. I stopped being a friend to someone because they thought fox hunting is ok. Their choice, my choice was to say goodbye and move on.

Racism should not be confused with choice.

[clw1981]

I am sorry but this woman should be named and shamed.

You cannot demand an 'all white' birthing team. You get what you are given, at the end of the day the most important thing is that the baby comes in a healthy yet happy way. What was she going to do? Sit with her legs crossed waiting and hoping that the baby does not come out yet!