Pretending

[brionon]

To be Anti europe but Never intend to withdraw from Europe. The Tory Party. Agree ?

[jake-the-peg]

Nope not pretending just split

one part is ideologically or emotionally opposed - one part is in favour for practical and strategic reasons

In some cases both in the same MP!!

There's been a multi-year truce where both sides of the party have ignored the "elephant in the room" but that looks like breaking up now and Cameron is desperately trying to keep everybody on board.

[R1Geezer]

No, there is an element that would withdraw, another that would revert back to the "common Market" or some other stage and those who are straight in favour of the USE. EU divides all party's similarly, although most of the Libdems seem to be in favour but the main 2 parties both have their splits.

[jake-the-peg]

That's true Geezer but the split in the Tory party is much more even.

The Labour dissenters tend to be the old left wing survivors who aren't so representative.

I do think the "Common marketeers" are either living in the past or desperately trying to pour imaginary oil on troubled waters.

The world has moved on - that's not on offer any more - It's a bit like a bunch of people trying to convince a music shop that they really ought to stock 8-track

[jake-the-peg]

If we withdrew from the EU (lets not mess with anaolgies)

There would be a major power block in Europe the US Russia and China and us sitting on the outside - our world influence would diminish like a rock down a well.

I work in the European headquarters of a major US company - they don't want a UK base - they want a European base.

The Americans don't think of Britain first - they think Europe

[R1Geezer]

I don't agree, we signed up for the Common Market, nothing wrong with trading agreements and cooperation. Aside from the vapourous, "it's moved on" and "we need the EU", from the EUphiles, none of them have ever told me why we have to surrender control of our nation in order to cooperate with a "common market", after all that's the last vote we had based on the lies of the treacherous Heath. This way we have the worst of both worlds, we could have all the benefits of autonomy and of copperation and I mean for all the EU countries not just us out and all the others in.

[Quinlad]

As blasphemous as it is to say it, the reason we appoint and pay MPs is because we want professional, clued-up politicians who will make sensible, informed decisions rather than automatically pandering to the populist sentiment of the day.

About two thirds of people want to bring back the death penalty, but no credible politician would go along with that because their job is to consider the wider implications rather than just tabloid editorials.

[brionon]

But - Will any of the 3 main parties even dream of withdrawing from Europe ? Answer NO ! But will they Pretend to be Anti Europe for Votes ? Answer Yes,the Tories !

[R1Geezer]

Quinny, where are all these "proffessional Clued-up Politicians", as far as I can tell they couldn't give a thrupney about owt except screwing what they can out of the tax payer!

[R1Geezer]

so if they are "pretending to be anti", they must think the public are anti, are you saying, heaven forbid, that the public are generally Eurosceptic? Well don't let Jake hear you!

[VHG]

>I don't agree, we signed up for the Common Market

Agreed, I did not sign up to pay child benefit for children living in Poland.

Particularly when the administration of the system is so bad they are propbably getting child benefit from Poland AS WELL, or the person does not even live in the UK any more, or even that the children do not exist in the first place.

What a ridiculous situation.

[Gromit]

There is very little difference between Labour and Conservative policy when it comes to the EU.

Which is unfortunate for Cameron, because the Tories core voters are very Euro skeptic.

So they both have the same policy, but they have very different audiences. Cameron needs to capture a large percentage of people who voted Labour last time, so he is pursing similar policies as Labour have done for the last 12 years. This is mostly fine, except on Europe where the party is evenly split pro and anti EU. It is a difficult tightrope act that he is attempting, and he might yet fall off.

[brionon]

Geezer says--''so if they are "pretending to be anti", they must think the public are anti, are you saying, heaven forbid, that the public are generally Eurosceptic ''

Are you saying ??? Read the Question if you Really want to know and don't answer a quesion I did not ask. Just another Politician !

[jake-the-peg]

One part of your questio I agree with is that Cameron has never said that he has any intention to withdraw from Europe. No mainstream party does.

This is because doing so would be devastating for the country.

If you ran a country entirely on public opinion you might as well go and give Rupert Murdoch the keys to number 10

[modeller]

One good thing has come from the EU or Common Market , whatever you like to call it. Peace in Western Europe , but that was because trade was more profitable than war , not because of genuine unity . In the present financial climate most of the present members are putting their own country first and over the past 50 odd years when actual fighting was required who has done ( and is doing ) most of the fighting ? Some members fail to participate in so called united agreements, France refused to be a member of Nato , Germany says its constitution doesn't allow them to fight only in self defence, and so on . We only have one voice amonst 27 which is no better than we would have if we were outside the EU. All this talk from Cameron is already being debunked by our EU partners.