Positive discrimination

[Pufflette]

We appear to have a culture where to have a registered disability, to be female or to be of an ethnic minority is in consideration as much as your qualifications and experience themselves.

[sara3]

yes.

[Sqad]

pufflette......I agree with sara..................so what is the problem?

[daffy654]

Rubbish.I have a disability and have tried looking for work,most employers won't consider you for a position at all due to the amount of time you may need off work due to illness.

[jno]

indeed, some ABers will even dishonourably discharge you if you make yourself 'disabled' by getting pregnant. Being female won't help you, it's all your own silly fault.

[sara3]

I thought employers had to take a certain percentage of disabled workers on. am I wrong?

[beejay1124]

since when are females allowed to start threads here ?
strewth

[daffy654]

Public sector employers tend to positively discriminate more often,private employers couldn't give two hoots really. Try proving at a tribunal that they refused you a job because of disability! They will always have a plausible back-up reason for offering the job to somebody else.

[Pufflette]

Daffy, I disagree with you. For university courses, for jobs and other forms I've filled out your asked so many questions about your background....even questions about your sexuality and your marital status. If it is not important and not a consideration then the relevant bodies would not go to such lengths to ask these questions?

[Pufflette]

And one other participant on this site said that Harriet Harman has suggested "woman only shortlists" How is that meritocracy? And I also heard that Harriet Harman wanted to bringa law through that said that an employer could deliberately and legally employ a woman or individual from an ethnic minority over a male candidate. As my dad always says it will all come back on them when people have been pushed too far.

[another-view]

Women only shortlists??!!!
You've got to be kidding. Next it'll be "Whites only shortlists"?

[jake-the-peg]

Actually we appear to have a culture where people quietly discriminate and give jobs to "people like us"

How many High court judges are black do you think? How many are women?

Why? are they not as clever?

Until recently David Cameron had more men called David in his cabinet than women!

Nobody likes positive descrimination but if you have a better way to fight the "old boys club" I'd love to hear it

[another-view]

Presumably becuase more whiote males apply for the jobs than any other group.

[another-view]

white*

[jake-the-peg]

Presumably?

Are you suggesting that candidates are chosen at random and there are more sucessful white males due to the laws of probability?

If there were no suitable women there would be nobody to put on women only shortlists would there?

[jno]

Pufflette, they ask all these questions because they are required to.

They then ignore the answers and give the job to the people they want to.

[flip_flop]

Daffy

"They will always have a plausible back-up reason for offering the job to somebody else".

Or, it could be the job was offered to somebody else they were better qualified, had more experience or were more suited to the job.

[jake-the-peg]

It could but given the woefull state of affairs in many high profile and powerful jobs it makes sense to shift the burden of proof to the employer to show that that is the case.

[craft1948]

I just wonder how Harriet Harman got her job.....