Is 4 years long enough for this little B1tch?

[R1Geezer]

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[jake-the-peg]

A sentence should reflect what someone has done - not the sympathy you have for the victim.

I take it you're quoting 4 years as a jeuvenine trap so that when someone points out your error - you can come back and smugly say "oh she'll be out in half that"

If so do award yourself a "Geezer blue badge" for predictability

[R1Geezer]

so 4 years is fine for what is effectively murder is it? This little c0w etc beat the victim untl she jumped for her life, ok technically not murder but hey I reckon it's not far off.

[Oneeyedvic]

No, it is not long enough. She has been given 8 years and (I believe) that if she carries on with her current behaviour she will serve all of it (ie not showing remorse and continuing to bully).

Prison will not work (as she is proving at the moment). There needs to be a proper rehabilitation program. Otherwise, even if she is given 10 years, she will come out unchanged and a burden to society.

[youngmafbog]

She should be locked up and the key thrown away. It is effectivley murder in my book.

You bloody liberals make me puke.

A good candiate here for outsourcing to Thailand I reckon. Give them £40K and say we dont care what happens.

[R1Geezer]

"Prison will not work (as she is proving at the moment). " - she ain't in prison, she's in the equivalent of Butlins. Put her in a cell with a bucket in the corner for 23 hours a day and I can assure you, "prison" would work!

[Oneeyedvic]

///Put her in a cell with a bucket in the corner for 23 hours a day and I can assure you, "prison" would work! ///

What assurance? Is there no crime in say Thailand?

What about murder in Texas where they use the Death penalty?

Your assurances are about as reassuring as the promise that this girl gives to be very good from now on.

Can I ask, have you actually been to a prison to visit or do you know anyone who has been inside, or is all your ideas on prison gained from reading the hysterical media.


///She should be locked up and the key thrown away. It is effectively murder in my book.
You bloody liberals make me puke. /// No one is arguing that she should be locked up. It is ironic that the parents of the deceased have forgiven her killers, but you can't.

[ummmm]

I've been to see someone in prison. It was a cat B. Although he said it wasn't too bad it certainly wasn't a cosy life.

[R1Geezer]

well I've heard the gloating from burglars that have just done 3 months for their 56th offence saying it was more comfortable than outside. Are you saying they don't have snooker tables, sky TV, Gym, tennis courts, en suite etc? have the media made it all up?

[Sqad]

/////What assurance? Is there no crime in say Thailand? ////
/////What about murder in Texas where they use the Death penalty? //////

Rehabilitation programmes are of "limited success," in my opinion.
After 50 yrs of intellectual prison reform we have little progress to show for it.

So why do we need prisons to house our villains?

To keep them out of society and making life as miserable as possible.

Will they re-offend?...almost certainly, but at least I feel happier.

[ummmm]

They do have those things Geezer but he had an hour and a half to use them. The rest was spent in his cell.

[Oneeyedvic]

///well I've heard the gloating from burglars that have just done 3 months for their 56th offence saying it was more comfortable than outside. Are you saying they don't have snooker tables, sky TV, Gym, tennis courts, en suite etc? have the media made it all up? ///

Where have you heard this? Surely not from a tabloid that have given the person money for their story?

Some of the prisons do indeed have 'luxuries'. Most do not. There are 3 classes of prisons A, B and C. The 'Butlins' style that you describe are usually Category C - either people who are about to be released (to try and get them acclimatised to 'normal' life) or for the 'lesser' crimes. She will certainly not be sent to a C class prison.

[Sandy-Wroe]

The trouble with putting a bully into prison is that a lot of bullying goes on there. She'll find her place in the pecking order and come out eventually as bad, or worse, than she was when she went it.

[Oneeyedvic]

///Rehabilitation programmes are of "limited success," in my opinion.
After 50 yrs of intellectual prison reform we have little progress to show for it. ///

What intellectual prison reform?

Despite what you think, prisons are not well funded. Put a school, university and college in each prison where prisoners can actually learn skills that are useful. Anger management courses, relationship courses etc etc. II would even be happy with sentencing people indefinitely until they achieve certain predetermined aims.

But as it is, this would require money to be spent on it, and no government will do this as it is not a vote winner.

[R1Geezer]

Tell what is a vote winner Vic, actually punishing criminals! But our useless politicians won't do that either, explain that one!

[fredpuli47]

Is anyone saying that criminals prefer to be in prison to being outside? You do get vagrant types who commit minor offences, such as throwing a brick through a shop window, at Christmas, in the hope and expectation of being inside in the warm and with a free Christmas dinner, but they aren't typical. Otherwise, I've yet to meet a defendant who's said "Please get me a sentence of custody because it'll be much better in there than at home !"

[Sqad]

Oneeyed...I haven't made myself clear..............not" intellectual prison reform" for the inmates, but for the staff of Her Majesty's Prisons, the lecturers in Prison reform, the establishment of theories of rehabilitation by the social reform academics.