IS shoplifting a criminal Conviction??

[alapati123]

My friend has shoplifted worth �10 1yr back in Tesco the security has caught her and police has arrived and cautioned her and fined her .

Shez looking for jobs and worried if this effect her in any way when the prospect employer does the CRB check.

please answer

Thanks

[Nosha123]

Well I wouldnt employ someone who had a history of theft.. would you???

[Glidr]

Basically, she is screwed, having a criminal record for anything these days screws up your life. I'm speaking from experience. My last conviction was 9 years ago and up until I became disabled, it was extremely hard finding employment.

Employers don't want dishonesty, no matter how small or even if it was a one off mistake. In my opinion, once you do you pay your debt to society that should be it. But even when your convictions are spent, they are still on file. Which I think is a gross abuse of mistrust by the government.

[Tweed]

If she's asked by a potential employer, she's supposed to declare it. Not all employers do a CRB check.

Got a conviction - can't get a job? What incentive is there to reform? Might as well become a career criminal.

[alapati123]

Thanks for ur answers...she got a ticket (fine) in that it has been mentioned that if paid the amount (fine) the name would not be in the records...

still she is worried...i don't know much abt these things if any body would help to answer this

[Glidr]

Tweed, my thoughts exactly. I wasn't too far of becoming a drug dealer as I was sick and tired of paying for my mistake, not just once, via prison and fines, but by being discriminated for something that was clearly along time ago in the past.

I personally have the belief that Sex Offenders, Murderers should have their files left on permanently and the rest of us should be wiped clean. Stealing 50 quids worth of petrol and doing a runner is no way near sex offending or murder, yet the length of time it stays on your CR is the same. Disgusting.

[sandmaster]

glidr & tweed - I agree.
I read that in America they have a system of three counts and you are out. In other words your third criminal conviction gets you a mandatory life sentence. One person's third offence was stealing a pizza - and he got life!!

[Glidr]

sandmaster, The UK law system needs to be completely abolished and redrawn. The laws, penalties and the justice system is archaic and obsolete, it is turning offenders into re-offenders rather than being rehabilitated.

& years for Murder but 25 years for Armed Robbery, how the f*ck is that worked out, someone was definately smoking crack when that law was drawn up.

[obNOXious]

I've got some very old and fairly nasty (not sexual offences or murder before you wonder, but nasty none the less)offences on my record and if i wasn't self employed they'd have ruined my life. I am not the person I was when I committed those offences, but who the hell cares about that?
As to the law in this country it's absurd, I know a lady who rented a house and whose landlord afterwards accused her of ruining his carpets. If the police charge her with criminal damage ( she's presently on bail, waiting to hear) because the carpet is worth more than �5000 then she could conceivably get 10 years in prison... and a nicer, more innocent woman you couldn't meet. On the other hand people who torture their babies to death get 3 years. Bl00dy crazy.

[pink-kittens]

Depends on the job she is applying for and whether or not it is an enhanced or normal CRB
Enhanced it will show up, a normal/basic one,. it probably will not

[sillymilly]

if asked on crb if ever been cautioned then say yes an explain but if only asks for convictions then say no.
if you say no and they find out you are lying well then you're buggered but if you fess up @ the start you have a chance of keeping your job..