Operation Moshtarak

[anotheoldgit]

Since February there doesn't appear to be any news from Afghanistan.regarding Operation Moshtarak, Is it now over and if so, was it a success?

[Gromit]

You seem to ask this question fortnightly. My last post said it had been a success.

March 11th 2010.

// But Operation MOSHTARAK has changed the situation dramatically, and Khowshhal Kalay was taken by C (Essex) Company of 1st Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment during Op MOSHTARAK without a single shot being fired.

The insurgents fled, while locals, paid or coerced to support them, melted back into the community.

Speaking from Afghanistan, Mr Ainsworth said: "The first stages of Operation MOSHTARAK went extremely well, and I think that our military are to be congratulated on what they've managed to achieve in very difficult circumstances.

"There are discussions going on with people, there's help and assistance going in, and the whole atmospherics are very good, much improved. //

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/13703/

[Seadragon]

I must be such a cynic - It's the first stages that have been considered a success. I think the insurgents have allowed that too happen. In the long run Operation Moshtarak I think will be a failure, its just too easy. I hope the money invested in the area for growth will be well-spent but I doubt it. In my view its all a question of time before the area is back in Taliban hands. I mean how does one protect against this kind of abuse? -


"The difficult bit really comes now with trying to provide permanent improved security for the people in the area and trying to make sure that those people who have abused power in the past are not allowed to do so in the future."

I really hope the millions invested do produce a positive effect upon the Helmand Province but I am skeptical.

[anotheoldgit]

/// You seem to ask this question fortnightly. My last post said it had been a success.///

Yet another totally incorrect statement by Gromit.

I do not ask this question fortnightly, I last asked a question on this subject on 8th March.

Is one only allowed to post on a news subject once, even though it is an ongoing situation?

As your Google research as shown the last news regarding Operation MOSHTARAK was dated March 11, which by my reckoning was 14 days ago.

/// My last post said it had been a success.///

Oh so that's it is it Gromit, have you been out there, and what has been going off since your last report?

You must keep me informed without the need for me to keep asking you.

[jackthehat]

Who, Zeuhl ? :o)

[smart1]

Erm - there is a vessel that contains all you need to know - it is the news, on almost every channel!!

[Gromit]

14th February
Operation Moshtarak
http://www.theanswerb...s/Question862493.html

8th March
Operation Moshtarak
http://www.theanswerb...s/Question870863.html

25th March
Operation Moshtarak
this thread.

Why don't you just Google News it to find the latest?

[jackthehat]

AOG doesn't really want to know the answer to his question............he just wants to provoke healthy debate !

And *then* he'll come back and tell us all why we are wrong..........

[anotheoldgit]

Ok Gromit I apologise and stand corrected I missed 14 Feb.

But since I have only posted 3 it would have been more appropriate for you to have said "Almost on a fortnightly basis"

I notice though, that you have chose to ignore my other points.

[Gromit]

AOG from just a few days ago

http://www.washington.../AR2010032001376.html

[Quinlad]

Operation Moshtarak had been an overwhelming success.

According to the 1996 military effectiveness guidelines (MEGs), military operational success is achieved when, on both a quantative and qualitative analysis, initial objectives reach an 82% effectiveness point.

Since Operation Moshtarak has achieved 85% of the stated objectives at an average completion ratio of 89%, it is well ahead of the success threshold. That's according to the MEGs anyway.

[anotheoldgit]

Yes an American report about American troops.

What I really wanted to know, and I am sure you are aware seeing you research my posts recent and past, is this.

Having watched and heard news reports that most of our recent soldiers killed have not been attached to operation Moshtarak, yet no official reports, why?

Why not withdraw our troops from this operation and deploy them helping our more heavily threatened troops out in other areas?

[smart1]

Good point AOG, up to me I would withdraw our troops, full stop. Not our business.

[Gromit]

Marja is the centre of the Opium Trade. If you stop that, you stop a good deal of the Taliban's funding. At the moment, all seems to be going to plan.

A case of - No news is good news.

[modeller]

It is a success in as much as the Afghans accept whoever is the the most powerful at the moment , whether it it is the Taliban or us and if the Kabul government is ever powerful enough to take over, the local Afghans will accept them, but not because it's the government . The Afghans are tribal and those in Kabul are just another tribe who will be overturned as soon as a local leader is strong enough to do it.

[anotheoldgit]

/// A case of - No news is good news. ///

What about those other areas where our troops are getting killed on almost a weekly basis, I wouldn't class that as good news.

The whole point of my thread.

[rov1200]

With the most failing economy in the G20 it surprises me how we can find money to push above our weight in these futile wars. We started with below 4000 troops in Afghanistan and it has crept up to 9000, Iraq was bad enough but no end date is in sight.

Gordon Brown was criticized for underfunding our operation but you can't run on a shoestring budget once committed.

The success will come when Afghanistan is no longer reported in the press. Just like the 12 road deaths every day in Britain who hardly get a mention.