Is Norman Tebbit right - time has run out for Cameron?

[Gromit]

He writes:

// The polls should be a continuing worry to David Cameron. Although the election is far from decided, there is no sign of the 10 per cent plus that he needs to gain a working majority. The commentators are now talking about a repeat of 1992, when John Major’s government snatched an unlikely victory from Neil Kinnock. //

Lord Tebbit, who is never wrong, continues

// Having been led up the garden path on to the messy bog of the middle ground by Michael Ashcroft’s strategy for the critical seats, David Cameron now has to put some greater distance between himself and the Prime Minister. If he does not, the voters will reluctantly return the more experienced, battle-hardened man to implement consensus policies. //

http://blogs.telegrap...-time-is-running-out/

A t last a real Tory and not a hug-a-hoodie Tory, speaks his mind. Or is a bitter yesterday's man?

[AB Editor]

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//Tebbit then goes on to say:

David Cameron has the brains to turn the tables and come back to win. But he has to inspire the electors to believe he would make a difference not over the trivialities of dress sense or political asylum for African homosexuals, but the management of the debt and spending crisis which threatens to overwhelm the country, our relationship with the EU, the crisis of unintegrated foreign communities, and the regulatory nightmares built on human rights and health safety legislation implemented by politically correct officials.//

All the best

Spare Ed

[R1Geezer]

well I do think Norman has a point and I would like to see the Tories getting back to their traditional areas, rather than trying to make everyone love them. Trouble is they are terrified of this "nasty party" tag and want to appeal to those that were originally tempted to Labour by Blair. Like both sides he knows the core support won't change so he's trying to woo the floaters. Personally I think a good old go at some Barnstorming Thatcherism would get results. If nothing else it would get the lefties choking on their South African Peace meusli.

[jno]

Geezer, you may recall it was the Tories who dumped Thatcher, not the lefties.

[Gromit]

R1Geezer

Now you're spoiling it. What is the point of me posting a anti-tory thread if you are going to agree with it.

[R1Geezer]

aye they did, but that's because they were a bunch of lilly livered wimps without the balls to see it through.

[R1Geezer]

well the thing is gromit, I'm not really all that pro, the current Tory party, I'd prefer it of course to Labour or the Libdems but what we really need is so good old fashion proper Tories, like Norman, unfortunately they are what MrsT would call Wets these days.

[Gromit]

R1Geezer

I am in a similar position. The current Labour party is the Conservatives in disguise. They did away with all their principles just to get elected and never got them back. I probably dislike them as much as you dislike the Cameroons, but would rather see them than the Tories elected.

[jno]

I don't know that either party is the other in disguise - Labour certainly aren't trying to imitate Thatcherite Tories. They've both just moved sharply toward the centre ground, where most votes are to be found. If they headed out to the fringes again, neo-Thatcherites would get Geezer's vote and the Extreme Socialist Labour (Lenin Was A Wimp) Party would get mine, but 99% of the voters would stay home (as most of them do already).

[Zeuhl]

Cameron seems to miss the point that Blair was actually Thatcher's successor regardless of Left or Right.

Maggie was a radical who stood out from the opposition because she had a vision and an energy for no nonsense change to this country. Her failing was in driving the strong and talented out of her front bench.

Blair presented the same type of energy for centre ground (certainly not socialist) change to the country. His failing was superficiality over substance and an immoral war based on lies.

With the electorate tired of the same-old, all of the party leaders are failing to offer that sort of radical vision or energy.

[jake-the-peg]

To be honest Tebbit has become a 5th column in the Tory ranks.

He seems to be a UKIP politician in all but name however he seems to lack the courage to actually leave the party.

Of course if Cameron had the guts that Kinnock had in throwing militant out of the Labour party he'd do the same with the likes of Tebbit and Daniel Hannan.

Alas in seeking to selotape the Tories' obvious differences together with a pact of everybody biting their tongue - he's just storing up trouble.

Should he make it to number 10 the gloves will be off and they'll immediately be at each other's throats again.

This is why he can't make a pact with the lib dems

Any Tory/Lib pact would last only as long as it took for the first person to say the word "Europe"

[jno]

jake, you could say Cameon got rid of a lot of Tory dead wood when he sacked people over their expenses claims, the idea no doubt being that moat-owners would be replaced by young advertising men like himself. I presume Tebbit hadn't done anything that would justify such ejection.

[jake-the-peg]

I beg to differ!

Tebbit has last year almost gone so far as to advise people not to vote Tory

don't vote for the "major expense fiddling" parties and don't vote BNP

http://order-order.co...ebbit-dont-vote-tory/

If Cameron "had a pair" he would have withdrawn the Tory whip at that.

He probably was too frightened of exposing the parties internal divisions to do so is all I can imagine.

[modeller]

How true Steve but not quite in the way you think. Ted Heath didn't like women or put it another way he was rather fond of men.

[modeller]

For those interested in why Ted Heath was against all women especially one who had ousted him. He was warned by the Tory grandees to stop 'cottaging' whatever that meant.
http://www.rainbownet...aspx?ID=20577&sid=164

[jno]

yes, you're right, jake, though he didn't specifically say 'don't vote Tory'. I suppose Cameron just regards him as a cross he has to bear, as Thatcher regarded Heath.

As for Heath's alleged cottaging, I'm unconvinced. I find it hard to believe he would never have been caught if it was something he did a lot. Easy to spread rumours about the dead.

[modeller]

jno He was not dead when all the reports were made and he didn't openly challenge them at the time or take anyone to court ?
Are you saying we can not say anything that was in the public domain once a person is dead ? If so we would have to tear up all the history books .
I'm told that the word ' cottaging' refers to the all night male parties he used to have in his secluded country cottage . Now that indeed may be a rumour.

[modeller]

jno I've now found out the word cottaging has nothing to to do with using a cottage . It means using public loos for sexual activities by gay men.

[modeller]

jno Here is the web site that reports the matter.

http://www.thisislond...areer-says-tory-mp.do