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do you believe in the death penelty?
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and why?
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But that is the difficulty how do you really know 100% unless the defendant is actually witnessed committing the crime? DNA can only place you at the crime scene - it is merely circumstancial evidence of guilt not actual proof that the defendant killed/raped the victim. There is no 100% - only beyond reasonable doubt.
As an unrelated example, take the case of Sally Clark - 2 babies died in suspicious circumstances and she was convicted of their murder. She exhausted her routes of appeal. It was only later that the evidence of the doctor (which largely led to her conviction) was discredited. A jury convicted her though. She would be dead if we had the death penalty since she had exhausted her routes of appeal. (indeed, I believe she is in fact now dead since I think she committed suicide - forgive me if I am wrong on that).
As an unrelated example, take the case of Sally Clark - 2 babies died in suspicious circumstances and she was convicted of their murder. She exhausted her routes of appeal. It was only later that the evidence of the doctor (which largely led to her conviction) was discredited. A jury convicted her though. She would be dead if we had the death penalty since she had exhausted her routes of appeal. (indeed, I believe she is in fact now dead since I think she committed suicide - forgive me if I am wrong on that).
Unless there was a 'smoking gun' wrestled from the hands of the perp (I've obviously been watching far too many American TV shows), I'm not sure that there is ever any 100% reliable guilty verdict, and I would need that before I could commit to a Death Penalty Society.
I would be far more satisifed that a life sentence meant just that.
I would also push for a section set up in the Department of Justice, staffed by training and junior lawyers to look into cases where there are grounds for appeal. This would, hopefully, mean an end to the gross miscarriages of justice like Sally Clark, Stefan Kiskco, The Guildford 4, the Birmingham 7, etc. and in situations where the convicted person cannot raise enough funds or interest to have their cases re-opened.
I would be far more satisifed that a life sentence meant just that.
I would also push for a section set up in the Department of Justice, staffed by training and junior lawyers to look into cases where there are grounds for appeal. This would, hopefully, mean an end to the gross miscarriages of justice like Sally Clark, Stefan Kiskco, The Guildford 4, the Birmingham 7, etc. and in situations where the convicted person cannot raise enough funds or interest to have their cases re-opened.
Despite the fact that here have been some terrible miscarrages of justice, I'm still in favour of the death penalty,people like Myra Hindley and Ian Brady to name just two committed terrible crimes yet lived out there normal life spans. It wouldn't be so bad if they put people in jail to punish them instead of allowing them to enjoy all the benefits of life except freedom. If they're not going to hang them lets have them up on Dartmoor for the rest of their lives, making big rocks into gravel with a seven pound hammer
/// i agree that it has to be 100 percent ///
But it seldom is! That's the whole point.
I'm sorry to say, this is a Fairy Land idea; "wouldn't it be lovely if we were always certain about murder convictions and then we could quickly dispose of them "
Can you give a personal guarantee that under your system only guilty people would be killed? Surety would be one of your family surrendered for execution should anything go wrong with your system as in the cases referred to above.
And why should some murderers be executed and others not because of some small element of evidence/certainty?
A previous poster extolled 'Life for a Life'.
No. That's a euphemism. It's 'Death for a Death'.
If you think it's ok to 'execute' people, why is what the murderers do in the first place so bad?
I condemn murderers because I am very clear in my mind that no one has the right to take another's life.
Supporters of the death penalty seem confused on that matter. And oblivious to the facts that in country's where it is retained, stopped or reinstated it has no deterrent effect.
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But it seldom is! That's the whole point.
I'm sorry to say, this is a Fairy Land idea; "wouldn't it be lovely if we were always certain about murder convictions and then we could quickly dispose of them "
Can you give a personal guarantee that under your system only guilty people would be killed? Surety would be one of your family surrendered for execution should anything go wrong with your system as in the cases referred to above.
And why should some murderers be executed and others not because of some small element of evidence/certainty?
A previous poster extolled 'Life for a Life'.
No. That's a euphemism. It's 'Death for a Death'.
If you think it's ok to 'execute' people, why is what the murderers do in the first place so bad?
I condemn murderers because I am very clear in my mind that no one has the right to take another's life.
Supporters of the death penalty seem confused on that matter. And oblivious to the facts that in country's where it is retained, stopped or reinstated it has no deterrent effect.
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Regarding Myra Hindley and Ian Brady; Brady was mentally ill and neither of them "lived out there (sic) normal life spans"
Myra Hindley was locked up in a *** prison for years where the young woman became an old woman then died. Everyday, she could ponder on all the things she might have liked to have done with her life but couldn't because everyone else despised her for what she had done.
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Myra Hindley was locked up in a *** prison for years where the young woman became an old woman then died. Everyday, she could ponder on all the things she might have liked to have done with her life but couldn't because everyone else despised her for what she had done.
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And in some ways death is the easy option. Have you any idea how badly treated child killers and paedophiles are in prison?! They spend the rest of their days with very little companionship looking over their shoulder in segragation. If you really want an eye for an eye etc, prison is actually a harder option than the death penalty. Why do you think half of them are on suicide watch?
(And before the Daily Mail bleaters rock up saying what a cushy life prison is I ask, have YOU ever been in a Category A or B prison? Trust me, it really is terribly unpleasant).
(And before the Daily Mail bleaters rock up saying what a cushy life prison is I ask, have YOU ever been in a Category A or B prison? Trust me, it really is terribly unpleasant).
This debale will go on & on as long as we all live regards hanging, many years ago they used to deport prisoners to OZ, away from the friends, families, I would think that amongst many many Islands out in the Pacific ocean the murders, pedos, rapist, terrorists this should be their final place to do their sentence, without communication, Laptops, the Gym, no mattress, just the floor, But I have forgotten to say, whilst you have the Jumped up Human Rights pillocks spouting on about peoples rights, you have as much chance of winning the Euro Lotto. British Justice! what bloody Justice?
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