war of the roses

[tali122]

what were the exact words/ comments/dispute in the garden that led to the war of the roses?
thx

[Hippy]

That was a thorny issue!

[The Penguin]

The garden scene in Shakespeare's Henry VI Part 1 was in the Temple Gardens, by the Temple Church just off Fleet Street (of da Vinci Code fame).   Whilst the current Master of the Temple will tell you it never happened, members of both Inner Temple and Middle Temple claim the incident happenend in their particular part of the gardens, leading to the plucking of a rose each for the Houses of York and Lancaster.   Not the answer to your question, I know, but a bit of information nonetheless

[Piper-AK]

I'd imagine it went something like this.

"I want to be King"

"****** off, that's my job. AAAargh!" keels over dead.

"Now I'm King.  Ha Ha. AAArgh" keels over dead.

"Now I'm King.  Ha Ha. AAArgh" keels over dead.

So on and so forth.

[Octavius]

If you mean the Shakespeare & Co-writers version, read Henry VI, Part 1, Act II, Scene IV.  It's actually quite dull but symbolic, you know I pick a red rose, you pick a white rose, who's side are you on yer southern softie, go back to yer whippets yer northern monkey etc etc...

The name Wars of the Roses was not used at the time, but has its origins in the badges chosen by the two royal houses, the Red Rose of Lancaster and the White Rose of York.  So the Skaespearian garden scene has the Earls of Somerset, Suffolk, and Warwick; Richard Plantagenet, Vernon, and another Lawyer choosing which side they will take by the colour of rose they pick.

Prick not your finger as you pluck it off,
Lest bleeding you do paint the white rose red
And fall on my side so, against your will.

[david_harry]

The garden scene referred to did not happen and, like so many other things, is a Shakespearian invention. For a superb and indepth look at the causes of the wars of the roses read the book by Alision Weir