Wills b in Middlesex

[bevtel]

Anyone know of a John Wills born 14/7/1865 father John mothe Emma (Nee Davis)

[craft1948]

Know what about him?

[craft1948]

I assume you have his birth certificate as you have the above information......what was his father's occupation?

[dotty.]

Name: John Wills
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Spouse Name: Emma Davis
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Oct 1860
Parish: St Mary Magdalene
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Wills
Spouse Father Name: Henry Davis


John Wills lived St Brides, Fleet Street and Emma lived 19 Townsend St.

Ignore the estinated birthyear, the ancestyry transcriber must have been an idiot, full age meant he was over 21.
The witnesses names are badly written and not transcribed, one is James Ashley (possibly) and the other Amelia Ashley (possibly) theot handwritten signature on the original image is dire.

[homedeeth]

where in middlesex? i used to live in teddington and hampton hill

[dotty.]

John and father William are both labourers, Henry Davis is a Currier.

[bevtel]

Fathers Occupation Brewers Servant

[craft1948]

1861 census living in Ironmonger Street, Finsbury, London

John Wills aged 28, a Brewers Servant, born Watereaton, Bucks
Emma Wills aged 27, a Brush Drawer, born Southwark, Surrey

[craft1948]

Actually the above may not be your John Wills and Emma. Someone on ancestry has them in their tree but have Emma as being Emma Charlotte Dickinson and in 1871 they have 3 children but none called John. Hell of a coincidence having 2 John Wills both Brewers Servants.

[craft1948]

It's a bit weird if the 1861 is wrong as dotty has his father called William Wills and in the 1841 census a William Wills has a son John born 1833 in Water Eaton, Bucks.

Wills William 30 - Agricultural Labourer Yes Water Eaton, Bletchley, Buckinghamshire HO107/0056/2/~F7 CD3 H107_056.pdf p.16
Wills Alfred 43 - Yes Water Eaton, Bletchley, Buckinghamshire HO107/0056/2/~F7 CD3 H107_056.pdf p.16
Wills Rebecca 11 - Yes Water Eaton, Bletchley, Buckinghamshire HO107/0056/2/~F7 CD3 H107_056.pdf p.16
Wills John 8 - Yes Water Eaton, Bletchley, Buckinghamshire HO107/0056/2/~F8 CD3 H107_056.pdf p.17
Wills Elizabeth 60 - Yes Water Eaton, Bletchley, Buckinghamshire

[craft1948]

I'm convinced that my first post was correct because Emma Davis is a Brush Drawer in the 1851 census, the same occupation as Emma Wills in the 1861 census.

Davis Elizabeth 40 Head Woman St Johns, - 5 Surrey Buildings, Southwark, East Surrey HO107/1563/~F407 CD24 H1071563.pdf p.786
Davis Emma 17 Daur Brush Drawer St Georges Southwark, - 5 Surrey Buildings, Southwark, East Surrey HO107/1563/~F407 CD24 H1071563.pdf p.786
Davis Reuben 15 Son Printer St Georges Southwark, - 5 Surrey Buildings, Southwark, East Surrey HO107/1563/~F407 CD24 H1071563.pdf p.786
Davis Henry 13 Son Errand Boy St Georges Southwark, - 5 Surrey Buildings, Southwark, East Surrey HO107/1563/~F407 CD24 H1071563.pdf p.786
Davis John 10 Son Scholar Camberwell, Surrey 5 Surrey Buildings, Southwark, East Surrey HO107/1563/~F407 CD24 H1071563.pdf p.786
Davis Amelia 7 Daur Scholar Camberwell, Surrey 5 Surrey Buildings, Southwark, East Surrey HO107/1563/~F407 CD24 H1071563.pdf p.786
Davis James 4 Son Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey 5 Surrey Buildings, Southwark, East Surrey HO107/1563/~F407 CD24 H1071563.pdf p.786

[craft1948]

Here's Emma's family in the 1841 census...

Davis Henry 34 - Carrier Yes Brittannia Place, Camberwell, Surrey HO107/1052/6/~F34 CD35 H1052-2.pdf p.136
Davis Elizabeth 30 - Yes Brittannia Place, Camberwell, Surrey HO107/1052/6/~F34 CD35 H1052-2.pdf p.136
Davis Edwin 10 - Yes Brittannia Place, Camberwell, Surrey HO107/1052/6/~F34 CD35 H1052-2.pdf p.136
Davis Emma 8 - Yes Brittannia Place, Camberwell, Surrey HO107/1052/6/~F34 CD35 H1052-2.pdf p.136
Davis Renton 5 - Yes Brittannia Place, Camberwell, Surrey HO107/1052/6/~F34 CD35 H1052-2.pdf p.136
Davis Henry 3 - Yes Brittannia Place, Camberwell, Surrey HO107/1052/6/~F35 CD35 H1052-2.pdf p.137
Davis John 7M - Yes Brittannia Place, Camberwell, Surrey HO107/1052/6/~F35 CD35 H1052-2.pdf p.137

[craft1948]

But there's no John born 1865 with the family in the 1871 census...

Name: John Wills
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma Wills
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 22a
Household schedule number: 323
Household Members: Name Age
John Wills 38
Emma Wills 37
Emma Wills 9
William Wills 3
Eden Wills 1

[bevtel]

If any of you think this guy could be in your tree I have as someone said a birth cert for him got the wrong one so can forward it should anybody want the document.

[dotty.]

craft that;s all very odd isn't it?

[craft1948]

Don't ask dotty.....................