Why are the English Students fees the highest?

[anotheoldgit]

Ups forgot to make this a separate question.

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Whilst I don't agree with the students rioting on the street over their increased Uni. fees, what I do suggest the English students do, and that is to protest peacefully against the abnormality of them paying the highest fees compared with their 2 other fellow British.

I think they have a much better argument from this point of view

[jake-the-peg]

I think their best argument is that this government is in power because if the Liberals who have directly and immediately gone back on a manifesto promise.

I would go so far as to say that it would be unconstitutional for any Liberal to vote in favour of these.

the reason that these are so high is that the Government has removed huge chunks of University funding and told the Universities to get it from their customers.

They are attempting to introduce a market in the University sector which will result in the woeful situation where the University you go to will be determined by your famillies wealth and not by how good you are.

I can see no way in which this will be good for the country when our key industrys are service industries that rely on having the brightest and the best

[anotheoldgit]

Yes Jake, but apart from not answering the point regarding the inequality of fees dependant in what part of the UK one comes from, I will try and address the points you have raised.

The Government are not in power because of the Liberals, the Conservatives won the election, and could have governed on their own, but of course with a much weaker Government.

The Liberals are free to vote according to their conscience, after all their pre election promise was a knee jerk response, knowing full well they stood no chance of gaining power, and they are still not in full power so they have to do as they are told.

The reason the fees are high is because of the huge strain put on the Universities, caused by 'New Labour' pledge to send the maximum number of school leavers to Uni. Plus the fact that there has to be cut-backs in Government spending, and why should the taxpayer pay for other peoples kids to go to Uni?

Most of the young people who are going or planning to go to Uni.could go straight to the old type of Technical Training Collages, so as to gain the skills needed for their future employment. With the huge amount of degrees that are now being awarded they will soon be, not worth the paper they are printed on.

[Davethedog]

Yet another well researched answer AoG There are 305 Conservative Mp's

As there are 253 Labour and 57 Lib dems the Torys are entirely in power because of the Liberals.

I'm glad to see you regard one of the main points of the mainfesto was a "knee jerk" reaction.

The reason the fees are higher is because both Wales and Scotland have indepedently elected parliaments who have opted not to raise fees.

Agree with your last point though.

[anotheoldgit]

Davethedog

I know they are in power because of the Liberals, what I was saying was the fact that they could have still taken power even if the Lib-Dems had chosen not to join them.

If you had noted the post-election reports at one stage it got very close to the Lib-Dems turning down the offer.

Conservatives won 36% of the vote, Labour 29% and the Lib Dems 23%

/// The conservatives won more votes and more seats than any other party, and so had the right to the first attempt at forming a government. David Cameron chose to approach the Lib Dems, because their 57 seats would be enough to form a majority.///

A 'Hung Parliament' may have been an impracticality but not impossible.

/// The last time a hung Parliament happened in the UK was in February 1974. Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson led a minority government, after taking just four more seats than his Conservative rival Edward Heath.///

[Davethedog]

I know they are in power because of the Liberals

Thats not what you said

"The Government are not in power because of the Liberals, the Conservatives won the election, and could have governed on their own, but of course with a much weaker Government"

[steg]

The reason the fees are higher is because both Wales and Scotland have indepedently elected parliaments who have opted not to raise fees.


in Scotland, Scots don't pay fees

[123everton]

It strikes me as unfair.
If I were a student I'd be stepping up the protests, targetting Lib-Dem seats especially, if I were a student I'd be smelling blood now.
When the author of his own bill, threatens to abstain you get the sense of Lib-Dem panic.

[anotheoldgit]

davethedog

I was answering your comment:

/// As there are 253 Labour and 57 Lib dems the Torys are entirely in power because of the Liberals.///

Notice your use of the word "ENTIRELY"

My answer to you was:

I know they are in power because of the Liberals, what I was saying was the fact that they could have still taken power even if the Lib-Dems had chosen not to join them.

My answer that you pointed out:

"The Government are not in power because of the Liberals, the Conservatives won the election, and could have governed on their own, but of course with a much weaker Government"

Was in reply to Jake's statement, "that this government is in power because".......................

/// I think their best argument is "that this government is in power because" if the Liberals who have directly and immediately gone back on a manifesto promise. ///

I hope this clears things up for you?

[youngmafbog]

However no Government can be bullied. By rioting they have lost their cause, these are suppsoed toi be educated people but are shown to be litlle more than Marxist thugs.

Devolution is fine but the English should not be paying for i, as they currently are. This of course goes back to the fact labour is effectively buying seats with the Taffs and the Jocks tending to be pro labour.

Students should make a stand but they have to appreciate that due to labour the coffers are empty.

And, isn't is amazing how the lefities pick tiny holes in peples posts even when I am sure they know what they are really on about.

[123everton]

Thugs, some may be, voters they certainly are, as are their parents...

[bednobs]

it's because the welsh and scottish parliaments have their own budgets and have decided to use a chunk of it on tuition fees for their students. It is all swings and roundabouts. The welsh have identified they can afford it within their budgets, but it will, of course, be at the expense of something else no doubt

[steg]

"Devolution is fine but the English should not be paying for i, as they currently are. This of course goes back to the fact labour is effectively buying seats with the Taffs and the Jocks tending to be pro labour."

A) england is not paying for it.
B) it is a Scottish policy voted for by Scots

[factorfiction]

Does anyone know who pays the fees to the Welsh/Scottish universities in respect of those students who have been granted free or reduced fees in Scotland/Wales? Does the money come from the devolved Wesh/Scottish budget or does it come direct from the UK Government spending budget?

[rov1200]

Something not quite right here. The students and taxpayers are paying a high price to get them educated which you would think benefits British companies. However British companies in their droves are trying to employ graduates and others from overseas instead of British ones.

I know who I would make pay for their education!

[anotheoldgit]

bednobs

/// it's because the welsh and scottish parliaments have their own budgets and have decided to use a chunk of it on tuition fees for their students.///

That's interesting, but can anyone tell me what advantages/perks do we get in England, that the other countries in the UK, fail to get?

[bednobs]

sorry, i can't I don't really take an interest in politics so don't tend to bother to listen to stuff like this

[DTCwordfan]

The cost probably reflects the quality of University education that students receive - in inverse proportion of course.