Muslim peer offers up an excuse.

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/6xpo6d6

It is indeed refreshing to have a senior Muslim politician at last offering up an excuse for the recent child abductions by gangs of Pakistani men, at least he can't be labelled racist.

But is his excuse good enough? There obviously is a problem amongst young Asian men due to unhappy arranged marriages to their cousins, but why pick on vulnerable young white girls?

/// Labour peer Lord Ahmed said "Asian men resort to abusing young white girls because they do not want meaningful relationships with adult white women" ///

/// "An adult woman – if you are having an affair – would want your time, money and for you to break up your marriage,’ the peer added".///

No excuse is good enough for these crimes, but this one is pathetic.

[ChuckFickens]

Where in that story does it say he is offering an excuse?

He is stating a reason (opinion) why he believes it is happening, not saying it's an excuse for it happening.

[ChuckFickens]

I agree, there is no excuse for it happening, ever BTW, but stating an opinion of what a person thinks might be a cause for something is not trying to excuse it.

[anotheoldgit]

Chuck

Offering up a reason or offering up an excuse, seems to me to be the same thing.

But I will take up your definitions as being correct and apologise if I have in some way inadvertently created a fault impression due to my incorrect definition of the words.

But how this makes any difference to what the peer said, still escapes me.

[Huderon]

I suspect Lord Ahmed is making a few assumptions there, and ignoring one possible reason, namely that the men involved are simply criminals who are doing this to make money.

He is quoted as saying ///This didn’t happen in my or my father’s generation. This is happening among young Asians.///, so the real question has to be what has changed to bring this about ?

I doubt that it is solely down to first cousin or economic marriages - those almost certainly happened in Lord Ahmed's generation and that of his father. Is it possible that these men have figured out that men are willing to pay for sex, and that pimping out vulnerable girls is an easy way to make money ?

I see that the report you link to is also quoting some dodgy figures from an earlier report you mentioned, which does rather make me wonder what the Mail is really trying to do here.

[eyethenkyew]

He'd have been better off keeping his gob shut if that's the best he can do? Instead of condemning their actions he's simply trying to offer mitigation for their heinous crimes. He's no better than they are.

[sp1814]

There IS another underlying thread to this story which I don't think anyone wants to acknowledge...<takes deep breath>...certain teenage girls are...for want of a better word...'beyond their years in terms of their drink and drugs consumption'.

I've seen with my own eyes, the activities of girls who can barely be old enough to get served in a bar, lolling about in the town centre of at least eight provincial cities I've had the misfortune to be on a Saturday evening.

The abuse is in no way their fault, but my guess is that if you had young Asian girls hanging about on the street, smoking weed, drinking two litre bottles of cider and giving (honest) 'blowies', then my guess is they too would be seen as a soft target.

Once again - not the fault of the girls themselves, but if Asian girls carried on the same way, I think the story would lose it's race component.

[keyplus90]

These people are British born and therefore should be called British and not Pakistanis. I really like the way media portrays these people and 7/7 bombers as Pakistanis and Amir Khan as British. Why?

[naomi24]

I really don't know why Keyplus. Perhaps it's for the same reason that you, as a Pakistani, claim to be as British as I am when it suits you.

[Andyvon]

I think white girls were targeted because they are so available.

I often go shopping at Tescos at 3am and I see so many children who look no more than 13 or 14 hanging around outside drinking. They then go in screaming and shouting up to the drinks aisle then check their own drink out and carry on boozing outside. The parents don't care because they are probably the children of unmarried mothers who have no father at home and whose mothers are doing their own thing with their latest boyfriend. There's also this 'sleep over' business where many kids actually roam the streets when their parents think they are at their friends' houses. White girls have also been taught by Western society to drink and have sex. The average child now has their first sexual experience at the age of 12 and is having regular casual sex at 14! It's a disaster!

Muslim girls by contrast are all at home after dark in the care of their families. Most of them have their fathers, brothers, cousins etc looking out for them and they never touch alcohol or have casual sex. They also keep themselves within their own culture and do not interact socially with strange men, least of all those outside their culture.

These Pakistanis just took advantage of the fact that many British children are so unprotected and abused by British society. It's British society that teaches it's children to drink alcohol and to have underage sex. How on Earth can British society wonder at what these predators did? We laid our own children open to it!

[sweetheart78]

spot on Andyvon! society is controlling our children!