Theory

[january_bug]

The Conservative voters amongst us only think they're bitter about having to "endure" the current government.  Really they're just angered and ashamed that their own party has taken over 8 years to get itself a decent leader and become a credible voting option. 

I'm not criticising them for this, I just feel sorry for them. 

What does anyone else think?

[Oneeyedvic]

shaneystar - probably best thing is to email me - email address is my user name at gmail.com

(sorry J_Bug)

[january_bug]

Which bit for vic?

This was meant to be about Tory voters, not the Tory party.

I'm gonna leave you lot to it. 

Thank god you can turn the email alerts off. 

[january_bug]

One final point for oneeyedvic - why should newpaper editors/owners be charged with manslaughter if the people only got hurt!?  (To quote you)  Surely it would be a civil case of negligence, which could be made into a criminal offence through statute.  But how injury can result in a charge of manslaughter when the victim lives is utterly beyond me.  I know you have a strong legal knowledge - please do explain. 

[Oneeyedvic]

my first sorry was for not answering the question but responding completely off topic to shaneystar.

I apologies aswell if you feel I have hijecked the post - I was simply trying to point out that not every conservative voter thinks negativley just as not every labourite is positive. If we stopped looking for diffferences and started looking for common ground, i think everyone could get along a lot better and achieve more.

You are of course correct in pointing out my mistake - The majority of my legal knowledge is based on finance - I work in the finance industry so I obviously study Consumer & business credit and finance statutes. As you suggest negligence may be a better option - but obviously manslaughter if someone is killed as a direct consequance of a story.

[surfer mike]

' I was simply trying to point out that not every conservative voter thinks negativley just as not every labourite is positive. If we stopped looking for diffferences and started looking for common ground, i think everyone could get along a lot better and achieve more.'

Hear hear, sound and sensible comment,sadly this is about as likely to happen on here and in the country, as i have of pulling elle macpherson..ie no chance. 

[january_bug]

And apparently as much chance as I have of anyone understand the word "stereotype" in the context of this thread. 

I'm sure we all should stop looking for differences, but I can't help but hear a bit of John Lennon playing in the background vic!

PS - I'd hoped the apology might be for the sniping.  Hijacking I couldn't give two hoots about - but b*tching at me in my own thread - yeah I have a problem with that.  Disagree by all means, of course!

[Oneeyedvic]

apologies if you feel I have sniped at you - but i don't see what is wrong with a bit of imagination.

Way I see it, you can either put up or shut up. Either do something about things which irritate you or just spend your whole life bithching about it.

[january_bug]

I've said that so many times here vic!  So it seems we DO agree on something!!! :-)  As you'll see in other threads, I really do feel exactly the same. 

Howevver, put up or shup up, still has nothing to do with the question - but never mind! :-)

[Steve_Luts]

oneeyedvic - I like your answers. The place you are looking for is called Utopia. Generallyy I agree with what you say BUT tax of 60% over �100,000?. Give me a break.

After many years of hard work (I grew up in a council house in Birmingham, and am by no means 'privileged') and am earning just over �100k pa at age 33. It gives me a nice lifestyle, granted, but I work every hour god sends - I am at work writing this now, gone midnight. If I was taxed at 60% I just wouldn't do it. I won't do this forever - my aim is to earn lots of money quickly, then retire young and have a fun, fulfilling, none working (self, not state funded) life.

The 'tax the rich, give to the poor' argument simply holds no water. 'Old' Labour proved that......People like me, entrepreneurs, creating jobs, are at their wits end with Blair and his umpteen stealth taxes. Meanwhile, the welfare state just seemd to p!ss money down the drain! I know this is an argument with many 'for' and 'against' views, but taxing the wealthy to the hilt isn't one of them! 

[Oneeyedvic]

Steve - you say you earn just over �100k. If (for example you earn �110k), please bear in mind you would only be taxed the 60% on �10,000 - ie you would lose out by just over �100 per week - not really that bad a hardship on the wages you are earning!

No one wants to pay tax, but unfortunatley you have to - what rate it is will pretty much always be too high for higher wage earners.

I would agree that our welfare state is to wasteful and generous though - would like to introduce a new policy of making job seekers do community work for their money - from litter picking through to grafitti cleaning, through to shopping for oaps.