prison sentancing

[sharon01]

if someone was aged 15 years old and had been charged with ABH, carrying an offensive weapon and using an offensive weapon, the offensive weapon being a bb gun,  was is the chances of a custodual sentance, roughly how long.   Child has been in trouble before and under the youth offending team

[sharon01]

I called womens aid last night  and they were very helpful,  they have given me some numbers to call to arrange counselling. Thank you

[Ward-Minter]

sharon you are probably right, your son is sufferring. But in the nicest possible way, I don't care. He is a criminal. Simple as that and the law tries to do its best at being objective.

I note your points about the abuse the lad has witnessed etc but frankly unless he does not know or realise the quality of his actions (under Victorian M'Naughton Rules) he is as liable as the next man. His circumstances are mere mitigation.

Men are masters of their destination. Whatever the reason (If there has not been a miscarriage of justice) he chose to assault the other guy. Likewise I have no sympathy for drug users. Whatever their horrendeous past has thrown at them (Child Abuse, homelessness, etc etc) THEY chose to inject that first hit.

May I suggest if the charge is brought down or conviction not that serious you speak with Military careers advice. What I understand of kids on the bad side (and I know nothing in my reality) good disclipline is what they crave. The Army will knock some sense into him (legally that is!), he will learn a trade, have the time of his life, see the world, learn about and RESPECT guns, play sport and vent aggression til his hearts content and represent this country with pride and passion. I can assure you when you are engaging the enemy you feel like David Beckham scoring that penalty against Greece.

I went in the old school way (straight as Officer after Uni) but I captained the corporals throughout my military life. I have an understanding!!

PS You have more chance of being killed if you drive more than 20k miles a year than in the army, so don't be worried.

 

Janny is there a smidging of compassion in my thread?

[january_bug]

By your standards WM, yes!

PS - I know asking you to use a term that others see as a term of affection is a little off the scale, but if you wouldn't mind just calling me jb, jbug or buggy rather than janny, I would be most grateful.  Likewise, if calling you WM is annoying at all, I'll gladly go back to typing out in full. 

[Ward-Minter]

january_bug you can call me Sir.

[january_bug]

And you can kiss my ass!!! :-p

[sharon01]

WM so you are saying its my fault I was raped beaten etc because I had choosen to stay in my marriage for the sake of my children until I reached a point in my life I could take any more.  You have no idea 

[Ward-Minter]

Errrr at what point did I say that sharon?? 1000 percent of any compassion I have is for the innocent victim.

JB can you tell me where I have said it is sharon's fault?

I am lost!!!

[sharon01]

You said you had no sympathy for drug users as it was there choice to stick the needle in ! you had no compassion for them   it was my choice to stay for the sake of the kids

[Ward-Minter]

Sharon drug use is ILLEGAL thus making them criminals. Staying in your relationship was not illegal. The point I thought I was eloquently making is........

 

If YOU now commit crimes, your horrid existence at that bullying man holds no wait for me. But you are not a criminal so I do not blame you for being raped etc. That is just wrong and I really do want to be lynched for saying such nonsense.

[january_bug]

Much as I dislike WM's opinions at times, I must say I don't see where he blamed you sharon for the awful things that happened in your past. 

WM's attitude is that you can't blame the past for future wrongs. 

Where you and I differ I tihnk, WM, is in the interpretation of that.  See, I don't tihnk that anyone should be allowed to get away with a crime, or receive a lesser sentence, just because their life was bad until that point.  However, I do think that bad things in the past are a REASON for crimes (not an excuse) and as such should be addressed, with a view to preventing repeat offending. 

WM - I tihnk you have been rude and unsympathetic, and I think that there are times when you just shouldn't say what you're tihnking to people - especially sharon here.  But you probably think the same of me!  I repeat however, that I don't see that you blamed sharon for the suffering she endured.

Sharon, at the risk of sounding blunt, you're still ignoring my suggestions about contating people who will help you to turn your life round.  People might not have offered you help in the past, but the help is there.  I realise you need time to sort of grieve for the time you lost and for all the bad things, but do you actually plan to try to move on at any point?  I realise you can't rush, but words are springing to mind that I won't use, about your attitude at the moment.  I don't know you, but I would wish happiness to most strangers, and for you, I very much that you can get back on track and have a positive life ahead of you.  I just wonder if you want to do something about it.  I hope so.   :-)

[sharon01]

I am moving on with my life, I have to or all the hurt pain and anger will eat away at me for the rest of my life.  I have called and arranged appointments with counsellors, and  I do have a new partner who is absolutley wonderful caring and understanding.  I apoligise if I have annoyed some people I didnt mean to.

[jno]

sharon - longer term, kids grow up. As mycatis says, from her own experience, they can get themselves sorted; and many will ultimately look back in bewilderment on the mess that was their earlier life. Hopefully he'll get some of the help he needs. Keep doing your best for him, as I'm sure you will. More than that, though, this isn't a burden you should have to carry alone, so I hope you get the help you need too; don't be afraid to ask for it.

[january_bug]

I'm glad to hear that sharon.  I realise it's been a hard time, but you were sounding SO negative.  I had no idea you had someone new, that's really good news! :-)  It just didn't sound like anything good was goin gon, butit obviously is, and I'm pleased about that.  good luck for the future!