Can religion tell us more than science?

[ll_billym]

What we believe doesn't in the end matter very much. What matters is how we live.... The last paragraph from the link below.

A very well written article by the BBC that has not made my view even wobble about the validity of the differing philosophies of science and religion.

Although, correctly, it presents science as imperfect and therefore on a par with religion (which to be fair is also presented as imperfect), it only briefly touches on the fundamental difference - that science will change it's beliefs forever in the face of incontrovertible proof or evidence, something which religion will never do as it's tenets are revered as being solid and permanent. Religion regards challenging current beliefs as a sign of weakness and fights it with reinforcement, science reveres this as the way to future enlightenment.

I'm interested in your thoughts...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14944470

[Ankou]

without condescending or belittling me like you have everyone else, can you just let me know what...

"structures do exist on this planet for which there is no explanation"

just interested.

[naomi24]

Since nothing I say meets with your satisfaction, Ankou, I can only suggest you google it.

[Ankou]

ok

[jake-the-peg]

Just because there is no known scientific explanation doesn't mean it's supernautural.

100 years ago nobody knew what stopped electrons crashing into the nucleus. Nobody thought it was magic as far as I know

[beso]

I tried Googling "structures do exist on this planet for which there is no explanation" but got zero results.

I can't think of any either.

It is incredible what a large group of people used to be able to achieve in a relatively short time before television was invented.

[Ankou]

yeah me too beso.

i can't help thinking that things on naomis list could be stonehenge or the easter island statues, but really ........ ?

[naomi24]

Perhaps you should try harder.

[RATTER15]

I remember Naomi posting some links to pics on here a long time ago, they certainly opened my eyes and im not fooled easily. I'm not saying they were supernatural but they were certainly things you don't see everyday.

[naomi24]

Ratter, you can be sure they aren't supernatural. Nothing is supernatural.

[sandyRoe]

SOD= Sons of Divinity?

[sandyRoe]

Sorry. That was meant for another thread ^^^

[naomi24]

Haaaa! Yes, I think it was. :o)))

[Ankou]

"you should try harder"

dear oh dear, still wheeling out that old chestnut.

[chakka35]

Clanad, you have been hopelessly misinformed about the naming of the gospels. No earliest fragment bears any of the present names which were given to those anonymous writings late in the 2nd Century.
I am well aware of the various 'traditional' reasons given for the present names but that is all they are, or ever claimed to be in any serious non-religious reference. None of those 'traditions' has any historical basis.
Anyway, you have answered my main question, so let's leave it there.

[LogicA]

I think your grave error is in assuming that God can not reveal anything that is eternally valid, that and the concomitant mistake of equating an eternal revelation's validity with its being perfectly comprehended. Yet in Catholicism the model of the follower of Jesus, namely Mary, keeps BOTH aspects.

Sermon 15. The Theory of developments in Religious Doctrine
"But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart." Luke ii. 19.


"Thus St. Mary is our pattern of Faith, both in the reception and in the study of Divine Truth. She does not think it enough to accept, she dwells upon it; not enough to possess, she uses it; not enough to assent, she developes it; not enough to submit the Reason, she reasons upon it; not indeed reasoning first, and believing afterwards, with Zacharias, yet first believing without reasoning, next from love and reverence, reasoning after believing. And thus she symbolizes to us, not only the faith of the unlearned, but of the doctors of the Church also, who have to investigate, and weigh, and define, as well as to profess the Gospel; to draw the line between truth and heresy; to anticipate or remedy the various aberrations of wrong reason; to combat pride and recklessness with their own arms; and thus to triumph over the sophist and the innovator."

God Himself is infinite, yet we can know by reason of His Existence with certainty, and yet never exhaust our understanding of God. The same with what He reveals.

[LogicA]

IF there is a God, then there must be things we can only know if God Himself reveals them. Else you are saying that everything about God is from necessity.