Factor - you have a point, but I have been able to recover PPI (even though I was fully employed when I took it out) on the basis that a) I was sold it as a good idea, to protect the payments if I were ill or redundant, but b) my employer pays me full pay for 6 months, half pay for 6, if I am sick, and would pay redundancy if I lost my job - so I didn't really need it. The companies are paying out. People who have good sick pay schemes really didn't need it, but it seemed like a good idea at the time.