White man beaten by 3 asians - not racist?

[boobesque]

I am fuming, 3 asians guys beat up a white man so much that witnesses said they thought they were kicking a football, and brag they killed a white man, and yet the judge cant be sure that it was a racist attack!

If it was the other way roundyou can be sure as hell that it would be classed as a racist attack.

I am not racist and have frineds of many races, but i think that its disgusting that we wont call this a racist attack just beacause a white guy died.

[Supernick]

Here's the BBC report incidentally

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4463142.stm

It seems that these despicable young thugs were just attacking anyone thy came across. Did they specifically kill the man because he was white, or was he just unfortunate enought to come into their path? I guess we'll never know, but could it have affected their sentences if it was racially motivated? Either way they're all serving at least 15 years which is the least they deserve.

[Supernick]

Just seen that if it had been judged as a racially motivated attack it could have been 30 years - double the sentence.

[WaldoMcFroog]

It seems to me that there are two ways you can go.

All incidents involving persons of different ethnicity are automatically racist or
Incidents involving person of different ethnicity are judged on their individual merits

The first seems to me to be preposterous. I have a white friend who, many years ago, was beaten to a pulp by white thugs in an alleyway, loosing teeth in the process. An Asian friend of mine says that if the exact same assault happened to him it would be racist. This seems to me to be nonsensical. The race of the attackers is immaterial. They were clearly halfwits looking for someone to beat and didn't care who it was.

In this case, the Asian men responsible had been drinking all day. They had abused 2 black men and an Asian and had smashed up cars etc before setting about the man who died. This suggests, as the beak has decided, that their motivation for the attack was not racist. They were simply thugs.

They did use racial insults about the man they killed (as they also did about at least one of the black men) and this is where the grey area lies. The judge seems to have believed that the attack did not occur because the victim was white but because the poor sod was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The abuse was intended to demean the victim, certainly and probably also contributed to the bravado of the knuckle-draggers responsible but it was incidental.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Are we really so stupid as to believe a white man cannot commit a crime against a black man for any reason other than the colour of his skin or vice versa? You can be a moron without being a racist, but yes, some are both. To my my mind, there's a danger of giving the murderers some sort of intellectual justification for their action if we focus not on the fact they're murderous thugs but the fact that they are of different race. They didn't do this for some 'great' cause or to avenge some perceived injustice. They're common or garden morons and should be treated as such. And if you do that, who's going to look at them and feel anything but contempt? No one can see them as avengers or in any other way heroic if they're pathetic thugs who can't handle their drink.

[jake-the-peg]

Does this mean if they'd shouted racist abuse at him as well they'd have been given an extra 15 years for being racist?

Does this mean that the penalty for shouting racist abuse is 15 years?

Does this make sense?

[sp1814]

Racially motivated attacks should be treated differently and sentences should be longer because members of racial minorities need to see that as a society find racism absolutely intolerable.

If a white man attacks another white man, the victim won't have a reference point with white to hate his attacker.

If a white man attacks a black man, the victim might see this as proof that beneath the veneer of social niceties, there's still an undercurrent of racism in Britain.

If the Asian attackers were shouting racist epitheps, then this should've been taken into account too.

Fairs fair.

[sp1814]

A kid is axed in the head, a student is murdered...

What on Earth is happening???

[MINTED187]

it was regarded as racist because the thugs were shouting out that they had attacked a white man.if they had attacked an asian or black guy im sure they still would have shouted out that they had attacked an asian or black guy.its a descriptive way of saying who they have attacked and like the report said, they attacked many others that day, of different races.

its so easy to jump upon the race bandwagon. there are so many race on race attacks which do not get as much publicity, and i think that the press highlighting different race on race attacks can sometimes cause more hostility amongst the different communities within the uk.

just beacuse the attackers and victim are of different races it doesnt mean that it was race instigated. merely wrong place at the wrong time

in summary if it was racist or not it was still an extremely sick attack and so were the other attacks that they carried out that day.

[Ward-Minter]

Unlike GBH or wounding there is no offence of racially aggravated murder. As there can be only one punishment i.e. Life for murder, I don't suppose it really matters.

[undercovers]

as stated above it matters because it affects the punishment - not the crime with which you are charged, judges must apply homeoffice guidelines when sentencing for murder - if it was a racial attack the punishment is a lot higher

[brionon]

Booby, don't you know that only whites can be racist?

[spaced]

Brionon, I assume you are makling this ludicrous statement because whites are the majority? Anyone who makes stupid remarks about another persons race, wether they are white, black or asian...is a racist, as what they are saying is a racist. Anyone one, no matter what colour or creed can be a racist. Your statement is nonsense.

[moon_unit]

spaced, I thought Brionon was being sarcastic..

[Chanel]

All i can say Boobesque is after Anthony Walker Was Brutally Murdererd By Known Racist This Topic Is Irelevant White men are always known to commmiting Murder just by the color of your skin they still have not solved the Stephen Lawrence case and the Racist Murderers are still out there Christopher Yates was at the wrong Place at the wrong time...