Scouts to0 embarrassed to march.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph....n-St-Georges-Day.html

Further to my earlier question regarding the £10m scheme to set up uniformed youth clubs, today's Telegraph report on today's kids not wanting to let their mates see them marching, says it all.

[boxtops]

I don't understand the Scouts' feeling of embarrassment at all. I work with a cadet group and they are delighted to parade at every possible opportunity, at both frivolous and solemn occasions such as Remembrance Day.

[DaisyNonna]

Self esteem for teenage girls, perhaps engendered by out of school activities such as any of the girls' organisations is far better than any number of sex education lessons .

[humbersloop]

etw
//What can we expect when the peep toed, pinko, anti everything, sandal wearing crusties have told us for many a long year how being British is some form of fascism to be despised?

You will be accused of //

or may just disagee with you, on some quite specific issues

[NOX]

I'm all for forming clubs and organisations for young people, very much so to be honest and have actively been involved in mentoring young offenders who would have benefited from such things, but the concept of having to wear a uniform to be included is really alien to me and I think alienating to certain members of society- not to mention a tremendous waste of money making it well out of reach for a lot of very low income families.there is far better things to spend money on than scout-like uniforms.

[marval]

When I marched through the town we considered it an honour. We never bothered what other people thought.

[NOX]

' There are' sorry type:)

[boxtops]

Our cadets don't have to pay for their uniforms, they are provided FOC, we have to be inclusive in that way.

[Mick-Talbot]

Therefore, harmless pursuits like scouting, cubs, girl guides etc are being phased out and receive no funding



just say the first thing that comes into your head, even if it has no merit.

[naomi24]

Boxy, that's quite sweet, but very naive. You aren't seeing it from the point of view of parents who think it's a load of cobblers - and hence, mistakenly, teach their children that it's a load of cobblers.

[naomi24]

Boxy, I was referring to your post at 23.08.

[Mick-Talbot]

but the concept of having to wear a uniform to be included is really alien to me and I think alienating to certain members of society-


I agree Nox.

[boxtops]

It's not at all naive, naomi - if the youngsters don't want to join, they don't - but those who do, benefit enormously. For every youngster that enrols, there are dozens who don't, and we wouldn't ask them why they don't want to. I acknowledge the "parental load of cobblers" perspective, but I can see the rounded and skilled young people who leave the squadrons when they age out. They are proud of who they are and what they've achieved.

[237SJ]

Personally, I can see their point. When I was a teenager, I would have been mortified if my friends had seen me parading across town. That was even before the age of the peer pressure that there is today with kids. I`m sure they have good intentions but in this Facebook age of "cool" I can understand why kids in this country don`t want to do that.
I love the comment in that article about kids getting beyond Beaver age though :-)

[boxtops]

^ accepted now I've seen your timed post, but our participation in public events isn't naive either, we usually get a very appreciative audience.

[naomi24]

Boxy, I know they benefit enormously - and I'm not criticising – I’m all for such organisations - but I do think you’re naïve because you don’t fully recognise the role that negative parents play in their children’s lives. They consider something like the Scouts to be ‘stupid’ – and hence their children do too – and that’s why they don’t want to join. Children are what adults make them. Sad in some instances - but true in all.

[boxtops]

Naomi, oh I do. I see enough of families round here who encourage their kids in absolutely nothing except the must-have and it's-my-right ethos. I'm far from unobservant in these matters, and I know the youngsters I work with are the lucky ones who have supportive and encouraging parents. It's the others I feel sorry for - and we have had a few parents who take their children away from our organisation because they can't see the point of it - those youngsters are losing out right from the start.

[naomi24]

Boxy, I know. Sad innit. They don't know what they're missing. :o(

[grffindoor2011]

I asked my nephew a few weeks ago about joining the scouts, he replied 'it's gay'. I even tried to reason scout badges v ps3 trophies on games. His response was that none of his friends would want to know him.

That I'm afraid is the attitude of todays youth.