Carr

[horseshoes]

I have realised that I know hardly ANYTHING about my father's family whereas my cousin has spent the last 20 years researching my mother's side and has gone back to @ 1540. Nice unusual surname of Mobberley though.

Anyway I just thought I'd have a browse at a free site first and I THINK I've found my father, but can't find my grand-father. It doesn't help that I don't know his name!

My father was James Frank Carr DOB 16/3/1921 and THINK his mother was called Elsie. Can any of you give me info on my grandfather please. Also if I join an Ancestry site, which one do you recommend. Thank you:-)

[horseshoes]

Dotty. This is absolutely wonderful. I'll write it all down in the form of a "tree". I just told my Mum about the mining disaster. She was amazed. Sometime in the future I'll make a point of going to see the memorial. I have a recollection of the 2 old aunts, Alice and Jessie when my Dad took me to Dukinfield with the grandmother (Elsie Matley)but it's VERY vague as I was quite little. I have a half brother so I'll pass this info on to him too. You're a star Dotty - thank you:-)

[dotty.]

anyway, back to the carr family for now, John Carr born Dukinfield 1828 was the son of George Carr and Esther (Gillett) both were born in 1796 according to their marriage 20th May 1815.

[dotty.]

Possible baptism for George Carr 10 Jan 1796 at Harthill Cheshire, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Carr, would need abit more evidence to convince me as the location is slightly wrong, right county but wrong industrial area

[dotty.]

Back to Henry Hoban, this is his baptism:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Henry Hoban
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1831
Baptism Date: 22 May 1831
Father's Name: Peter Hoban occupation servant
Mother's Name: Hannah Hoban
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone full address, Hornet Row, Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

[dotty.]

Peter Hoban married Hannah Winstey
Name: Peter Hoban
Spouse Name: Hannah Winstey (The original looks like Winsley)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Feb 1828
Parish: Westminster St Anne Soho
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

[dotty.]

oh checked Pallots and he has it as winsley too!

[horseshoes]

I bet it was unusual to leave London for a little place like Dukinfield! I wonder why they'd do that?

[dotty.]

Frank Matley married Betsey Ann Holland Q3 1890 Ashton under lyne ref 8d 655 Frank died in 1921 and Betsey Ann in 1918 both in ashton

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Frank Matley
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 3 Jun 1867
Christening Date: 18 Aug 1867
Christening Place: Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: John Matley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


1871 England Census
Name: Betsy A Holland
Age: 8 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Holland
Mother's Name: Ann Holland
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Ashton under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 4071
Folio: 128
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Holland 34
Ann Holland 35
Thomas Holland 9
William Holland 7
Joseph Holland 2
Betsy A Holland 8 Months
Richard Heppenstall 23

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4071; Folio: 128; Page: 28; GSU roll: 846351.

[dotty.]

Henry left london when he was 10 i think, he went to leicestershire first, haven't found the relationship or link that got him there yet, he then went up to Nottinghamshire, it's a well travelled tree!

[slinky.kate]

dotty you are very very good.will you do mine???

[horseshoes]

It's fascinating! Do you work in this field Dotty or is it a hobby?

[dotty.]

yes of course but they aren't all as reasonably straight forward as this one, though even this one had it's hurdles, it's not often too hard to get back to the early 1800s these days, before that the sources are less and less online and visits to various depositories would be necessary, either that or the 'who do you think you are' Production budget!

[horseshoes]

I can understand how those celebs on "Who Do You Think You Are" get emotional. I used to think it was a bit faked until today! The thought of that poor Sarah Ann in the workhouse and the dead babies and the great grandfather killed in that awful pit disaster..... life was hard if you were poor!

[dotty.]

20 odd years ago I was a tutor in the subject for a couple of family history societies and then went on to develop & run beginners and intermediate courses for the LLL group and lancaster university based at the Lancashire Record Office, I enjoyed that more than the actual research actually.

[horseshoes]

Fantastic Dotty. You're obviously VERY good.

[dotty.]

thanks for thinking that but the internet has changed the whole concept of compiling a family tree, I have managed to do in an afternoon with your tree what would have taken around 12 x 4-6 hour sessions in a record office or library, and even then i may never have achieved as much,

[dotty.]

the george carr with the harthill birth is not the right one, didn't qwuite take to it anyway, george is on the 1841 censu in Dukinfield with Esther and the 3 children, but in the whether born in the county column it has a N across from his entry, which means he was not born in cheshire, he died in 1851 and his death us registered in the first quarter therefore he didn't live to be on the 1851 census and so no indication of a birth place from that.

[dotty.]

horseshoes see above thread for slight amendment to the Hoban line, it makes the marriage to margaret void, though I am still not 100% sure whether henry married before sarah as he was nearly 40 then. the parents of henry don't change though, his mother just re-married a william rose and it gives him a full sister maragert hoban and some half siblings surname rose.

[dotty.]

it also takes the hoban line back to leicestershire in the 1750s through his maternal grandmother catherine winsley (maiden name not yet found, ) off to work til 8pm and so will leave you to decipher and see if anyone else would like to look for the winsley line in leicestershire!

[horseshoes]

Thanks Dotty - have a good day:-)

I'll try to decipher today. I'm fine up to George and Esther (Carr) - but I am a little muddled on the Hoban side. Once I can write it out in a "line" I'm sure I'll get my head around it!