Could someone else help out in here please?

[dotty.]

I'm looking for a death of a Margaret Hoban born circa 1834 in Nottinghamshire, daughter f william and hannah rose, she married henry hoban in about 1851 when she was 16 or 17, had twin girls in 1859 (probably) but they both sadly died within weeks of birth. Shge is on the 1861 with her husband living with her widowed mother in nottinghamshire, but in 1869, Henry turns up in Dukinfield and remarries, not sure why i can't find a probable death for margaret, although henry could have deserted her and married bigamously, he was born in london in 1830-1832.
can't find anything on ancestry, could anyone try FMP please?

[Rose Maybud]

I have looked at the 1861 on FMP - are you sure Henry and Margaret were married? I'm looking at the address 1, Kings Lynn Terrace, St Mary, Nottingham. Here the widowed Hannah Rose is head as you say, Henry Hoban is described as her son, unmarried born 1833 Middlesex, Margaret is her daughter, unmarried, born 1835 Middlesex, then you get George Rose b 1840 Nottingham, William born 1842 and ELizabeth born 1844.

It looks here as if Hannah had been married (and widowed) twice - Henry and Margaret being offspring from her first marriage. Have I missed something?

[dotty.]

Thanks for looking Rose, mmmm, on the 1851 henry is recorded as hobard and i thought that margaret was his wife but actually you may be right as on that one they are both recorded as unmarried and he is son-in-law to william rose, i've made the classic mistake of taking son-in-law as the child of a daughter whereas here it means step-son, it makes sense as henry was in leicestershire in 1841 aged 10 (henry Hobard) but, i've realised just now the link, the family he is with includes a Catherine Winsley aged 85 and i have henry's baptism in 1828 in westminster as the son of peter hoban and hannah winsley, so this must be Hannah Hoban nee Winsley on the 1851,

1841 England Census
Name: Cathl Winsley
Age: 85
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1756
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Wimeswold
Hundred: East Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:


Registration district: Loughborough
Sub-registration district: Leake
Piece: 593
Book: 27
Folio: 18
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Utting 50
Beath Utting 50
Mary Utting 25
Elizh Utting 24
Martha Utting 20
Cathl Utting 18
Richard Utting 12
Cathl Winsley 85
Henry Hoband 10

that also means that the twins must have been from a marriage of Henry Hoban and Margaret Sweeney I think, not the maragaret hoban on the 1851, one of the twins was called catherine, which i think will mean the catherine winsley aged 85 is henry's maternal grandmother, her daughter Hannah was born nottinghamshire which is why henry went there and married Sarah Ann who then moved to Dukinfield........sorry Rose it's quite conusing just coming into it I know, but it's made better sense with your fresh eyes! thnks.

[Rose Maybud]

I did look at the 1841 Census page you mention but none of it then made sense, but we'll put that down to the lateness of the hour. Looking at it again tonight, Catherine Winsley 'ought' to be related to the Uttings, and yes, there is a marriage on the IGI for Joseph Utting and Catherine Winsley (presumably her daughter) on 26 Nov 1811 Wimeswold. However, the baptisms for the Utting offspring aren't popping up, so can't be sure but the best guess is that Catherine Winsley senior is Joseph's mother-in-law. But I expect you have got there already!!

[dotty.]

Hi Rose, just logged on, been at work since 10am so abit shattered really, i'm going to have a look at the family now but can't stay up late as back in work early tomorrow