EU Nightmare...aaaarrrrrrggggghhhh

[Loosehead]

When are we going to get a leader that will save us from this EU nightmare? Why do they always roll over? We have the most powerful weapon in the EU and we never use it. Who pays the piper calls the tune right? Wrong! We get shafted all the time Chirac must be pi55ing himself. Why don't we just say " we are not paying until the budget is reformed, especially the CAP" or the even more outragious, "we are not paying until the accounts are audited"! Better still why don't get out of the whole sorry mess and go back to what was originally agreed, ie the "common Market"?

[youngmafbog]

Couldn't agree more Loosehead. Biggest problem is this cannot be solved by voting in/out a Government as so many from all sides p*55 in the same pot.

Can't see the French ever having this problem !. Much as I dislike them you have to admire the way they do business.

Think is we are British not European so it'll never work however much New Labour want us to loose our identity.

[Gevs1966]

I think you need to take a closer look behind the scenes with this one.

On other threads you have referred to losing the rebate etc but there are clearly other factors involved.

The 1.2bn privatisation deal of the Hungarian National Airport to a British company for example. These kind of deals are massively influenced by politicians and have a great impact on both parties economies.

What you read in the papers and see on the news will never give you all the factors you need in these situations.

[jake-the-peg]

Kilroy was here :c)

[Whickerman]

Frankly, the restof us are pretty sick of the Whinging some of you Brits do about Europe. We're heading for a Euro State, and most of us are looking forward to it - in fact, most Europeans already regard it as such.

The fact is, you need the EU more than it needs you. The rebate you get was given because Thatcher's Britain was heading straight down the plughole. All western nations are now net contributors to the EU, to try bring the Eastern countries up to our level of infrastructure, health, education etc.

I agree that the British should hold a vote on inclusion. And get out.

[Loosehead]

Well whickerman I agree with most of what you say. Except the bit about who needs who. I think the EU would have to radically change it's ways if Britain left. Perhaps the Germans would like to pay for the French farmers benevolent fund then!

[coyn]

The UK pays in a whopping 800,000,000 pounds per annum I would like to see the balance sheet to see what we could possibly be getting for that amount of money.

A politician said the other day that this is important for new EU members to increase their development.

Forgive my lack of Economics but why should I give a **** about their development when Tony B-liar is telling me that I should be prepared to work until I drop dead because after paying into the pension fund for 50 years there isn't enough funds to pay me a pension for the last five miserable years of my life.

I would like to know at what point the British became what they are today, I.E the stupidest most gullible people on earth.

If this post inflames you dear reader, then my day has not been wasted.

[undercovers]

oh you lot - another day another pet hate and when in doubt blame Europe! I suspect venting your spleen on tinternet everyday is your chosen form of exercise, I can hear your poor hearts racing from here as you furiously type �string um up, hang the under classes, hate the french, BACK OFF BRUSSELS, immigrant are all shifty dole spongers, TERRORISTS, gays are wrong, who stole my pension etc etc etc (veritas)�

oh I give up � this is a nice kiddy site setting out what the EC does, have a look around its all quite noble really and quite a good thing to be a part of in my humble opinion � in fact I think Europe would be great IF IT WASN�T FOR THE FRENCH!!!! (only saying it cos I want to be in the gang though Loosehead)
http://europa.eu.int/abc/panorama/whatdoes/index_en.htm# union

p.s. tell me who we are going to hate tomorrow and I�ll make some badges or something � what about students we haven�t done that in a while *bloody tax dodgers* or shall be just stick with people who are �different� (know what I meant .. wink wink)

[Loosehead]

Coyn, I don't think the people themselves are gullible and stupid, we generally see through to what's going on. Unfortunately we have a tendency to elect politicians who's main aim is either the distruction of UK (retrospectively if possible) or to boot lick the leaders of the EU in the hope of reserving a place on the gravy train. oh and it's 8000,000,000. probably more now!

Read your link Undercovers, nearly PMSL at the first line on the "Jobs and Prosperity" bit. "European Union leaders have pledged to make the EU the world�s most dynamic knowledge-based society with a competitive economy and a skilled workforce" right oh that's why we have a protectionist socialism that discourages enterprise and pays 40% of it's budget to the laziest sector of all, brilliant!

[gucciman]

and why should we have to carry less developed poorer countries on our back anyway? and what about the fact that we are subsidising the eastern european countries whilst at the same time letting them over here to sponge off us or take our jobs whilst our own jobs are disappearing to places such as india or china. this whole country is going down the pan fast.