A Case For Sterilisation......?

[Duncer]

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[ChillDoubt]

We've all got different experiences. In mine, I have to agree with duncer. The vast majority of heroin addicts I've dealt with/know personally would f*** ANYBODY(particularly family members) over in order to get their fix.
And yes, it's a sad indictment but in my personal experience Police Officers and Nurses alike have very little time for them, mainly as a result of dealing with them and invariably with some becoming endangered(HepB, Hepatitis etc) or having first hand experience of the criminal aspect of their behaviour that fuels their habit.
The film Trainspotting is probably closer to the truth than some of us would like to admit and it certainly fuelled the perception that they will do anything and ride rough shod over anybody to get their 'hit'.
That's been borne out for me on several occasions.

[ummmm]

You are talking about drug addicts that can't fund their addiction.

Many drug takers can fund their addiction, same as alcoholics.

[daffy654]

HepB is hepatitis, why do you feel the need to put both?

In any hospital there are doctors and nurses who are addicted to morphine (and other prescription drugs), these folks are no different to the street addicts except for the fact they have easy access to their drug of choice (little difference between heroin and morphine).

[ChillDoubt]

We get very few(can't reacall if we ever even have) heroin addicts in employment as patients. The very nature of their addiction makes them far less employable and a bigger concern to employers and the general public than alcoholics.
Heroin addiction brings with it a stigma that is difficult to lose, unfortunately.
Furthermore, alcoholics don't tend to carry the diseases I've mentioned that invariably afflict heroin addicts.

[ChillDoubt]

Apologies, Hep B was meant to have been typed as HIV.

[ChillDoubt]

daffy654,
In 20 years in the NHS I have NEVER known a Doctor, Nurse or any other Health Care Professional with an addiction to morphine! It is a Controlled Drug and as such each and every ampoule and dose is accounted for.
If an ampoule is believed missing there is a major internal enquiry and I've never known one be unaccounted for after an initial search.
If ampoules went missing on a regular basis there would be a criminal investigation so I very much doubt your assumption.

[Duncer]

"If you don't mind me asking what exactly brings you into contact with so many drug addicts on a daily basis Duncer for a solid 18 years, because if it is that you are a police officer, prison officer, probation officer or even in some instances a drug counselor type then you won't probably be privy to the inner workings of most addicts minds as part of the addiction process is not to trust many people at all particularly with reasons why. You seem to have a very low opinion of addicts as a group and be happy to lump them 'mostly' together. If you are working with them, then that's a shame because it's a rather self defeating circumstance you're in."

I'd rather not discuss my employment on here NOX, sorry, but I do see them on practically a daily basis, and yes, I do have a fairly low opinion of them, mainly from my experiences in dealing with them; that's how I form most of my opinions, or at least try to. I readily acknowledge that there are exceptions to the ones I deal with, as there are with all groups, and they are the ones I invest extra time in.

Perhaps it is all self defeating, but not necessarily from the angle you are looking at it, and I do sleep well most nights.

[daffy654]

They are hardly likely to advertise the fact CD. There are also ways around the checks used when administering drugs (i've seen and experienced them first hand) if the patient the drugs are meant for is not very alert (alzheimer's etc).

[ummmm]

CD - more addicts smoke heroin than inject it.

[owdhamer]

As I walk round my town I see hundred's of cases for sterilisation.

[ChillDoubt]

Daffy you are talking utter rot. Morphine is extremely difficult to get hold of in a hospital environment. It is kept under lock and key in a separate cupboard and as I said each and every ampoule and dose is stringently accounted for.
Any unused doses are disposed of in the presence of another Doctor/Nurse.

Take a look at Sections 13 and 14 here, then tell me that Morphine is readily available to any Health Care Professional that so desires it:

http://www.ruh.nhs.uk/about/policies/documents/clinical_policies/blue_clinical/Blue_768_Medicines_Code_-_Controlled_Drugs.pdf

[ChillDoubt]

As I said ummmm, we all have our different experiences. The vast majority of mine have been with those who inject.