I Went To Church Yesterday…..

[naomi24]

…. to a service for infant and junior school children to celebrate the end of a successful school year …. and it was lovely – a happy, joyful occasion. The local community, along with local dignitaries, gathered, the children gave us a run-down of what they’d been doing throughout the year, the head teacher told a few jokes, the vicar told a few jokes, and as I listened to the little voices belting out ‘Sing Hosanna, sing Hosanna, sing Hosanna to the King of Kings’, I couldn’t help thinking what a pity it is that religion insists on including sin and the prospect of punishment in its doctrine. If it dispensed with the fear, the guilt, and the doom and gloom, it might attract more interest. I know …. if the church didn’t teach people that they’re sinners who need to grovel in repentance in order to save their souls, there would be no point to it all – but it was just a thought. Shame God isn’t nice, isn’t it?

If you don’t know the hymn, here it is. Different children, of course, but not so very different. The actions were just as animated.

[naomi24]

Got to agree with Chris on that one. All those things are generally perceived to be human failings - but 'sin' is purely a religious concept.

[Khandro]

chakka35 said //So if you're not religious you don't need to recognise sin.//
Therefor gluttony is fine, as long as you are not religious. Is that correct?

[chrisgel]

Khandro - You are aware that what you keep doing over and over again is presenting a False Dichotomy aren't you.

So if you're not religious you don't need to recognise sin.//
Therefore gluttony is fine

You present 2 statements as if they were the only viable positions. The statements are not even connected yet you trot them out as if they were the ultimate wisdom.
I'm not religious
I don't recognise sin.
Gluttony is bad for my health
Therefore gluttony is not fine.

See how easy it is?

[naomi24]

Gluttony is an unhealthy choice - no more than that.

[ludwig]

Sin is a purely religious concept. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

[Octavius]

To be honest ludwig, I thought Khandro was agreeing with chakka.

[ludwig]

Perhaps he was. I hadn't followed the whole thread and maybe got things out of context. It's sometimes hard to tell what point he is making to be fair.

[chrisgel]

No he wasn't.

[naomi24]

I didn't think Khandro was agreeing with Chakka. Perhaps he'll come back and tell us.