Are Atheists Unsure And Worried?

[naomi24]

According to some of the religious people here, the reason atheists argue religion is because they ‘are not sure and are a bit worried’ (Keyplus’ words). Religion is an option available to all – atheists choose to reject it. What then, do those who say this think we are unsure or worried about? The question has been asked several times on different threads, but as far as I’m aware, no one has given their reasons for thinking that. Can someone please explain?

[Sharingan]

To answer Khandro yes I do. I think why music or great works are written gives them their emotional charge not necessarily the subject matter for the person listening. You hear their insoiration. I'm not a Christian but I can very easily cry at great works inspired by chritianity for example because they are so intense. I can also cry at great works created by atheists if their passion when being inspired to do them was sufficient.

To answer Naomi's question, I imagine very simply that the religious who suggest atheists are ' a bit worried etc' do so because they imagine that you have weighed the pros and cons of atheism vs theism ( thus going through a period of uncertainty) and have been swayed finally by logic and science and landed in the atheist camp. I'm not sure about you personally but I think most people's decisions on most things are rarely absolutely 100%, there is often a nagging doubt lurking in the back of their minds about somehting, even if it's very small.
I'm not suggesting you are wrong or that applies to you personally, just that some people may not be 100% when it comes down to the wire, and that's what your theists are referring to.
Slightly like wondering how many atheists end up praying of their plane is crashing if you want it simplified.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I think there are "higher" feelings and emotions which will find expression in allegorical (I might say mythical) form, Khandro. So, yes, some works of art may resonate as much with an atheist as with a believer.

[chrisgel]

//Do you think the poetry of a Hopkins or Thompson or, exempli gratia, the music and oratorio of Haydn and J.S.Bach, can have the same resonance, and create a similar depth of feeling and understanding, in an atheist as it might to a 'believer'? //
I see you've finally found a use for that degree in smugness that you have Khandro.
You're comment reveals more about you than I wish to know.

[Khandro]

v_e; I note your careful use of 'some', but I'm asking really about the examples I gave; take the first line of Hopkins and the last lines of your abbreviated Thompson as examples, how truly meaningful can they be to an atheist I wonder?
Sharigan: Nice post.
chrisgel; Nasty post! you seem incapable of answering the questions, first posed by v_e, and then by me, so it seems in frustration you resort personal insult, I suggest you buzz off to your comfort zone, wherever that may be.

[beso]

keylus //Because Divorce is considered the most disliked action out of those that are allowed for a very good reason because it breaks families because in Islam marriage is not only between two people but a relationship between two families. //

Under Islam a person's life of a individual is not their own to live but as a duty to their parents to make connections to to other families. So you live your life for your parents. How absurdly selfish of the parents to insist that their children live their live for their benefit.

Little wonder that the followers of Islam are stuck in the ignorant past.

//And then it destroys life of the children involved and we all know that as we read day in day out about children in broken families. //

The problems of "broken homes" comes from the pressure and expectations of religion and the parents who expect their children to sacrifice their lives to live the lives dictated to them by their parents as you have stated above.

Much of it happens because the "in-laws" are angry that the person they arranged to marry their child has failed to meet the expectations thrust upon them. The rest of it comes from the fascist church.

My own children and their partners all come from "broken homes" and they don't have a problem. They don't expect their parents to live their lives for them and they don't expect their parents to dictate their lives.

Islam is fascism taken from the highest levels of government right into the home. It is sick. It is primitive. It is ignorant. It is arrogant. It is stupid. It fails to bring the best of a human. Only violence and coercion stands in the way of its demise.

Islam stands in the way of intelligence because Islam knows that it is the antithesis of enlightenment.

Fascism is wrong. It always has been wrong and always will be. Mhmd (pox be upon him) was a poster child of fascism. No human has ever been revered so inappropriately in the entire history of humanity.

[vetuste_ennemi]

“Thou dravest love from thee who dravest me”. This exquisite line deserves better than my prosaic (and possibly incorrect) interpretation of it: by denying the divine you deny your own humanity. I can see meaning and truth in this without accepting the mythology which gives it its form. .

[Khandro]

v_e; Me too.

[naomi24]

Sharingan, there is no nagging doubt in my mind that the God of Abraham is not the creator of the universe. None whatsoever. If a creator exists, the religious are worshipping the wrong bloke.

[naomi24]

Steve, Ignoring them would mean allowing them to continue to inflict their poisonous philosophies upon this world unopposed - and that would never do. They don’t make me feel guilty. Their opinions on that score are of no consequence to me whatsoever.