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Is She The Right Person To Be Labour's Spokesperson For Women?
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/// The glamorous 40-year-old former GMTV political editor was 15 when she posed for the pictures to earn money to buy herself some new clothes. ///
There are plenty of girls who are short of money but who would never dream of posing topless for money at any age never mind at just 15 years of age, but even if they did it would be condemned as "out of date now" by Ms de Piero.
/// Ms de Piero said that when the truth about her photos emerged, Harriet Harman – who was the women and equalities minister at the time – provided her with ‘amazing’ support. ///
/// She told her: ‘Don’t worry, it’s absolutely fine Gloria, we wouldn’t judge you for that,’ and urged her not to ‘change’ or get ‘buttoned up’. ///
How very understanding of you Harriet, can you imagine what she would have said if this had been a female Tory minister?
/// The glamorous 40-year-old former GMTV political editor was 15 when she posed for the pictures to earn money to buy herself some new clothes. ///
There are plenty of girls who are short of money but who would never dream of posing topless for money at any age never mind at just 15 years of age, but even if they did it would be condemned as "out of date now" by Ms de Piero.
/// Ms de Piero said that when the truth about her photos emerged, Harriet Harman – who was the women and equalities minister at the time – provided her with ‘amazing’ support. ///
/// She told her: ‘Don’t worry, it’s absolutely fine Gloria, we wouldn’t judge you for that,’ and urged her not to ‘change’ or get ‘buttoned up’. ///
How very understanding of you Harriet, can you imagine what she would have said if this had been a female Tory minister?
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AOG, at 14.51 you asked whether I had any proof of the statement that a topless photo of a 15 year-old was doubtfully indecent. I wrote that as understatement. Ask yourself whether a topless photo is indecent per se. Then, if it is not, ask yourself, it not being indecent when it is of a girl 16 years and one day old, how it becomes indecent if she is 15 years and 364 days old ! By that process you should arrive at the answer, which is the same that the courts and the lawyers would come to. No, it doesn't, applying the test of indecency in R v Stamford [1972] 2 Q.B. 391 (Court of Appeal) and such a photograph of a 15 year-old is not an indecent photograph of a child.
baz, most of the posts on politics on AB are vitriolic to the point of madness towards the Tories, you see it, constant sniping comments, out of touch tories champagne quaffing, Bullingdon club members restaurant trashing, monied, class conscious nobs, as though that is what defines them, if i say i don't like Milliband it's because of his politics, not because of some things he did or didn't do in his younger days, i never liked Blair from the off, for all the reasons i have given in this post and previous.
i was, am interested in politics, and how our country is governed.
if you don't think i dislike Tories, then perhaps look at my previous comments, you really do need to get the specs on. I also said quite clearly i would never vote Labour. I would rather cast a vote to the Green party, and i am no big fan of them either.
i was, am interested in politics, and how our country is governed.
if you don't think i dislike Tories, then perhaps look at my previous comments, you really do need to get the specs on. I also said quite clearly i would never vote Labour. I would rather cast a vote to the Green party, and i am no big fan of them either.
FredPuli43
/// Then, if it is not, ask yourself, it not being indecent when it is of a girl 16 years and one day old, how it becomes indecent if she is 15 years and 364 days old ! ///
The law has to have a cut-off point and that makes all the difference between a young girl who is 15years and 364 and 16 days old, just as one would be breaking the law if you drove a car at the age of 16 and 364 days old, or purchased alcohol at the age of 17 years and 364 days old.
/// Then, if it is not, ask yourself, it not being indecent when it is of a girl 16 years and one day old, how it becomes indecent if she is 15 years and 364 days old ! ///
The law has to have a cut-off point and that makes all the difference between a young girl who is 15years and 364 and 16 days old, just as one would be breaking the law if you drove a car at the age of 16 and 364 days old, or purchased alcohol at the age of 17 years and 364 days old.
@AoG "yes much more so, they have been expected to lay down their very lives in defence of their country, their women and their children, have women ever been expected to do the same."
What an odd parallel to attempt to draw. Your entire argument that men are discriminated against is that men are on the front line, and women aren't?
Can you tell me why that practice exists? What is the primary reason why our cultures think women should not serve on the front line?
Have no women died in defence of their country?
How does that apply in business? in entertainment? in politics? in the service sector? in public service? Does the fact that men die on the frontline excuse the disparity in salaries between men and women doing the same job in the real world?
What an odd parallel to attempt to draw. Your entire argument that men are discriminated against is that men are on the front line, and women aren't?
Can you tell me why that practice exists? What is the primary reason why our cultures think women should not serve on the front line?
Have no women died in defence of their country?
How does that apply in business? in entertainment? in politics? in the service sector? in public service? Does the fact that men die on the frontline excuse the disparity in salaries between men and women doing the same job in the real world?
Lazy-Gun
/// Does the fact that men die on the frontline excuse the disparity in salaries between men and women doing the same job in the real world? ///
Not in the least, but it does go to show that women are not the only ones discriminated against which was the object of my original post, and not what it has now been sidetracked into meaning.
/// Does the fact that men die on the frontline excuse the disparity in salaries between men and women doing the same job in the real world? ///
Not in the least, but it does go to show that women are not the only ones discriminated against which was the object of my original post, and not what it has now been sidetracked into meaning.
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