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Plebgate: What's A Fitting Punishment For Him?
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Andrew Mitchell is being sued by the police officer he has accused of lying over the Plebgate scandal.
Lawyers for Pc Toby Rowland yesterday sent a letter to Mr Mitchell in which he said that he would be taking libel action following comments made in the fall-out from the Downing Street incident, the Police Federation has confirmed.
The former Conservative chief whip said last month that Pc Rowland, who was the officer who wrote a police log saying Mr Mitchell had called officers at the Downing Street gate “f------ plebs” had been lying when he wrote the log. Mr Mitchell also said he had been “stitched up” by police over the incident last September.
However, Mr Rowland said he was prepared to go to court and swear on oath that Mr Mitchell used the word “pleb” during the argument last year.
They'll be fighting it out in court later this year.
Lawyers for Pc Toby Rowland yesterday sent a letter to Mr Mitchell in which he said that he would be taking libel action following comments made in the fall-out from the Downing Street incident, the Police Federation has confirmed.
The former Conservative chief whip said last month that Pc Rowland, who was the officer who wrote a police log saying Mr Mitchell had called officers at the Downing Street gate “f------ plebs” had been lying when he wrote the log. Mr Mitchell also said he had been “stitched up” by police over the incident last September.
However, Mr Rowland said he was prepared to go to court and swear on oath that Mr Mitchell used the word “pleb” during the argument last year.
They'll be fighting it out in court later this year.
Pixie...perhaps I can help shed some light on what all the "fuss is about"
It seems fairly obvious to me that if we compare the F word that Mitchell admits he used, and the Pleb word, that he denies using, there isn't much doubt that the F word is the worse of the two. It is now a common word that is heard in all walks of life but it is still classed as swearing, and quite rightly so. The Police should be able to go about their lawful business without being sworn at by the public. Mitchel apologised for the use of the F word and the Policeman on duty at the time accepted that apology. So, end of story perhaps.
But there is growing evidence that the Police set out to frame Mitchell and "fit him up" One serving Policeman has already been found out and has admitted that his statement was completely untrue. He has given a very confusing reason for his duplicity, which hasn't helped us to understand this affair any better.
It is this perceived attempt to frame an elected Member of Parliament that is the central issue, not what word was used and when. This is what needs to be sorted out, and we shouldn't get side-tracked by the use or not of the English language.
It seems fairly obvious to me that if we compare the F word that Mitchell admits he used, and the Pleb word, that he denies using, there isn't much doubt that the F word is the worse of the two. It is now a common word that is heard in all walks of life but it is still classed as swearing, and quite rightly so. The Police should be able to go about their lawful business without being sworn at by the public. Mitchel apologised for the use of the F word and the Policeman on duty at the time accepted that apology. So, end of story perhaps.
But there is growing evidence that the Police set out to frame Mitchell and "fit him up" One serving Policeman has already been found out and has admitted that his statement was completely untrue. He has given a very confusing reason for his duplicity, which hasn't helped us to understand this affair any better.
It is this perceived attempt to frame an elected Member of Parliament that is the central issue, not what word was used and when. This is what needs to be sorted out, and we shouldn't get side-tracked by the use or not of the English language.
A 'pleb' is a person from the working or trade classes. It is only an insult if you want to take it as such. It is no worse than the term 'toff'.
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Thank you Mikey. That does make more sense. I wasn't sure who was framing who, but it did seem to come from this name-calling. And while i agree that police officers should be able to work without being physically threatened, i would have thought being called an "effing pleb" would be water off a duck's back.
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But there is growing evidence that the Police set out to frame Mitchell and "fit him up" One serving Policeman has already been found out and has admitted that his statement was completely untrue. He has given a very confusing reason for his duplicity, which hasn't helped us to understand this affair any better. mikey444 //
Let me give you a hypothetical theory:
A politician in the heat of the moment calls a police officer a f***ing pleb,
because there is no record of this incident the politician admits to using bad language but denies saying the word pleb, suspecting that is not the truth the police officer confides to his colleagues about this & one of them decides that the only way they can get the truth into the open is for one of them to say he witnessed the incident. Unfortunately it fell apart but it still would not alter the fact that it is one man's word against another. It will be very interesting to see the outcome of the slander trial.
WR.
But there is growing evidence that the Police set out to frame Mitchell and "fit him up" One serving Policeman has already been found out and has admitted that his statement was completely untrue. He has given a very confusing reason for his duplicity, which hasn't helped us to understand this affair any better. mikey444 //
Let me give you a hypothetical theory:
A politician in the heat of the moment calls a police officer a f***ing pleb,
because there is no record of this incident the politician admits to using bad language but denies saying the word pleb, suspecting that is not the truth the police officer confides to his colleagues about this & one of them decides that the only way they can get the truth into the open is for one of them to say he witnessed the incident. Unfortunately it fell apart but it still would not alter the fact that it is one man's word against another. It will be very interesting to see the outcome of the slander trial.
WR.
The Court of Appeal thinks that misconduct in public office by a police officer must mean jail; deterrence and punishment are very important because not only must officers be deterred but the public must see that condign punishment will be visited on officers who betray the trust reposed in them.
This man's psychiatric condition won't help him much. He fully knew what he was doing.
Must be worth at least 12 months on a plea of guilty.
This man's psychiatric condition won't help him much. He fully knew what he was doing.
Must be worth at least 12 months on a plea of guilty.
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