Why Do These People Have Kids?

[youngmafbog]

http://news.sky.com/story/1250478/children-over-five-wearing-nappies-in-class

They clearly cannot be bothered with them, what sort of people will these poor kids grow up to be?

It seems to me this generation of people are all me me me and designer this and designer that and someone else or something is to blame not them(ADHD is apparently the favorite as then you get extra benefits too). Now fair enough to a degree but when it starts getting like this something is clearly wrong.

These are not disabled children or poor (although what that has to do with it I am not sure).

Perhaps I am just getting old.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// She said that in each new intake of 5 year ols, there is usually one or two 'who have accidents'. ///

/// My guess is this is normal, nothing new, not wide spread and certainly says nothing about modern parents. ///

We are not talking about 'accidents' here, read the report 7 to 11 year olds and even up to 15 years old.

*** Almost one in 20 heads and senior staff said that in the last year a child aged seven to 11 had worn a nappy to school. ***

Certainly does say something about 'modern parents' with their disposable nappies, back in the past it was terry cloth nappies, can't see the modern teachers changing and washing them.

But then neither did the 'old' teachers there was no need to do so.

[anotheoldgit]

That of course should be SOME modern parents.

[roopower]

I worked in primary schools for years, until I retired two years ago. We never had too much of a problem, just occasional accidents, so I can't really comment on this report. However, as the government pushes for children to be taken into school younger and younger, there will inevitably be children who aren't toilet trained.
My suggestion? Stick toilet training on the curriculum and let the teachers do it, like everything else!

[Gromit]

// Nine per cent – almost one in 10 – of heads and senior staff who responded said that in the past year a child aged between five and seven had worn a nappy to their school.
The figure was five per cent – one in 20 – for classroom teachers. //

The headteachers saw twice as many nappies than the classroom teachers. I find that suspect. If the figures are different (not sure why hey should be) then I would have thought the classroom teachers would see more.

Also, if you do not have the results of a similar survey from 20 years ago, and 40 years ago, it is wrong to make any conclusions about this generation being any worse than a previous generation.

[roopower]

I'm surprised either the heads or teachers saw the children in their nappies - from experience that's always been the teacher's/classroom assistants job. Perhaps we'd get the definitive percentage from them!

[SeaJayPea]

I repeat.

Shoddy journalism, written by somebody with absolutely no knowledge of statistics. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Er... and shouldn't somebody working in a primary school know how to spell 'fruit'?

[anotheoldgit]

roopower

/// My suggestion? Stick toilet training on the curriculum and let the teachers do it, like everything else ///

I reckon there would be implications if teachers started taking 11 to 15 year olds to toilet. :0)

[Sqad]

\\\\Also, if you do not have the results of a similar survey from 20 years ago, and 40 years ago, it is wrong to make any conclusions about this generation being any worse than a previous generation.\\

OMG! eeeek! how could we draw conclusions without a "survey?"

Statistical analysis is so accurate and final.......

Why not ask the opinions of teachers in primary schools, past pupils as i bet they would soon tell you how many "cr'pped " their pants.

[Gromit]

Sqad

You can say the number of toilet trained pupils needs to be improved.

But you can't say the problem is worse than 20 years ago because there is no proof.

[Sqad]

Gromit

\\\\But you can't say the problem is worse than 20 years ago because there is no proof.\\\

Sometimes "proof" is unavailable and one has to go on "likelier" than not and date i say this "anecdotal evidence."

Your primary school sister...........we are not talking about "wetters", we are talking about "cr'ppers" and we are not just talking about primary school we are talking secondary school and we are not talking "accidents" we are talking nappies specially designed for 13-15 year olds.

[pixie373]

With a 15 year old- that HAS to be a medical problem imo. There is no way a teenager couldn't work it out for themselves, if they hadn't been taught.

[horseshoes]

I was at Grammar School with a girl who used to wet herself in class. She was the daughter of 2 academics, and used to cry at the slightest thing e.g. when she lost a pencil. I think her parents used to put a LOT of pressure on her to excel. I remember one time, she came top in a particular exam, but with a fairly low top mark; she was inconsolable. She said she didn't know WHAT her parents would think! She hung herself in her first term at Cambridge. So perhaps the older children have mental issues. It's certainly NOT normal or usual for older children still to be having "accidents". I'm sure there MUST be underlying issues.

[Daffy6543]

My son still wore nappies (pull ups) at that age as a result of his disability and delayed development.
He attended a special school (which he started at just 4 years old as his birthday is August 23rd) which was very difficult to get him into in the first place.
If I hadn't managed to find this place and secure it for him he would have attended mainstream school, still in nappies and unable to speak.

I wonder how many of those mentioned have similar problems to my boy, especially as there are hundreds of special schools being closed down nationwide.

[IggyB]

Problems with this generation of parents? I blame the grandparents, you must have brought them up all wrong for them to have such poor parenting skills now!

[/sarcasm]

[pixie373]

I have said that before, iggy- without the sarcasm :-)

[1ozzy]

I read this article in an Australian newspaper today and wondered if it was "journalistic licence" or true. I too work with children, from a variety of backgrounds, little kids have "mistakes" but what I have read about the older ones "beggars belief".
Standards are definitely changing but I've come to the opinion the report stretches the truth somewhat.
Hmm.. "Journalists"....Don't let the truth get in the way of an "attention grabbing story"