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Prison Book Ban To End ?
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Looks like this most hateful rule change will be challenged in Court, and not before time. I have made my stand quite clear but what do we all think here on AB ?
Looks like this most hateful rule change will be challenged in Court, and not before time. I have made my stand quite clear but what do we all think here on AB ?
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I find it difficult to believe one can not check a book for contraband before allowing a prisoner to have it.
07:39 Wed 07th May 2014
not that straightforward Boo
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kvalidir
/// I think if this horrible scheme is allowed to stand you will see far more suicides, self harming,general violence and unrest throughout prisons, so it will be totally counter productive to the aim of rehabilitation. I hope these court attempts are successful. ///
Wow, I along with the Daily Mail are often lambasted for over sensationalising the negative effects brought on by mass immigration to this country, yet here we see suggestions of suicides, self harming or general violence, just because the prisoners favourite reading materiel is not being sent to them.
No I suggest that this isn't just about books but yet another anti-government dig, I suspect that had Labour brought these measures in we would not have heard anything about it.
/// I think if this horrible scheme is allowed to stand you will see far more suicides, self harming,general violence and unrest throughout prisons, so it will be totally counter productive to the aim of rehabilitation. I hope these court attempts are successful. ///
Wow, I along with the Daily Mail are often lambasted for over sensationalising the negative effects brought on by mass immigration to this country, yet here we see suggestions of suicides, self harming or general violence, just because the prisoners favourite reading materiel is not being sent to them.
No I suggest that this isn't just about books but yet another anti-government dig, I suspect that had Labour brought these measures in we would not have heard anything about it.
humbersloop
/// the ban impacts particularly on those prisoners studying for qualifications who need course materials or reference books that aren't available in the
library ///
If they were indeed studying for qualifications I would have thought that the necessary materials and reference books would be provided, all part of the rehabilitation schemes.
/// the ban impacts particularly on those prisoners studying for qualifications who need course materials or reference books that aren't available in the
library ///
If they were indeed studying for qualifications I would have thought that the necessary materials and reference books would be provided, all part of the rehabilitation schemes.
Altho my liberal heart has started to bleed on reading the word Mikey.....
the ban isnt on reading is it ?
They still have prison libraries ... and you can read there - or perhaps even take out a book ( bearing in mind that 50% of male prisoners cant read and write ) to read before lights out
the ban is on sending books in parcels ?
It all depends on the spin on the facts as I have learnt with my post on Ld Patten.
the ban isnt on reading is it ?
They still have prison libraries ... and you can read there - or perhaps even take out a book ( bearing in mind that 50% of male prisoners cant read and write ) to read before lights out
the ban is on sending books in parcels ?
It all depends on the spin on the facts as I have learnt with my post on Ld Patten.
This amuses me somewhat.
There seems to be an overwhelming desire among many people to believe that prisons are places where people go for a while to be “rehabilitated” and emerge as model citizens ready to make their way in the world. Only yesterday some soppy woman appeared on TV to comment about the benefits of “open” prisons (in response to the “Skull Cracker” fiasco). She waxed lyrical about these establishments being “staging posts” where people who have served long sentences are prepared for release and went on to say that they are afforded day release to “acclimatise them to the real world and to the world of work”. Ye Gods! Mr Wheatley (aka Skull Cracker) acclimatised himself perfectly well towards the end of his last visit to Her Majesty’s so-called secure accommodation. Within three weeks of release he set off on his spree of vicious violent robberies which saw him jailed for “Life” many times over. If anybody needs help to make the transition to the real world I think Mr Wheatley is lower down the list than the dopey woman.
The fact is that reoffending is rife. Around 90% of offenders jailed have offended before and nearly half of all those jailed have 15 or more convictions. There are plenty of stats around to illustrate this. Figures are only slightly better for those sentenced to community orders. No amount of rehabilitation will alter the lifestyles of most of these people. They are following their chosen way of life and a short spell in the Chokey is seen by them as an occupational hazard.
The notion that this non-existent rehabilitation will be seriously impeded if prisoners are not allowed to have books delivered is laughable. Prisons are places where a very few serious or habitual criminals are sent for a brief period to give the rest of us a well earned break from their activities. The vast majority of them have no designs on rehabilitation; they simply bide their time to be released as quickly as possible to resume their occupation. Allowing them to be sent parcels is simply providing an opportunity to compromise the security of the jails. The best way that offenders can enjoy the full range of rights and privileges that they apparently crave is to desist from committing offences that see them jailed in the first place.
Having said that, I dare say this appeal will succeed and that Ms BGJ will be awarded a sizeable chunk of taxpayers' dosh to compensate her for her “devastation“.
There seems to be an overwhelming desire among many people to believe that prisons are places where people go for a while to be “rehabilitated” and emerge as model citizens ready to make their way in the world. Only yesterday some soppy woman appeared on TV to comment about the benefits of “open” prisons (in response to the “Skull Cracker” fiasco). She waxed lyrical about these establishments being “staging posts” where people who have served long sentences are prepared for release and went on to say that they are afforded day release to “acclimatise them to the real world and to the world of work”. Ye Gods! Mr Wheatley (aka Skull Cracker) acclimatised himself perfectly well towards the end of his last visit to Her Majesty’s so-called secure accommodation. Within three weeks of release he set off on his spree of vicious violent robberies which saw him jailed for “Life” many times over. If anybody needs help to make the transition to the real world I think Mr Wheatley is lower down the list than the dopey woman.
The fact is that reoffending is rife. Around 90% of offenders jailed have offended before and nearly half of all those jailed have 15 or more convictions. There are plenty of stats around to illustrate this. Figures are only slightly better for those sentenced to community orders. No amount of rehabilitation will alter the lifestyles of most of these people. They are following their chosen way of life and a short spell in the Chokey is seen by them as an occupational hazard.
The notion that this non-existent rehabilitation will be seriously impeded if prisoners are not allowed to have books delivered is laughable. Prisons are places where a very few serious or habitual criminals are sent for a brief period to give the rest of us a well earned break from their activities. The vast majority of them have no designs on rehabilitation; they simply bide their time to be released as quickly as possible to resume their occupation. Allowing them to be sent parcels is simply providing an opportunity to compromise the security of the jails. The best way that offenders can enjoy the full range of rights and privileges that they apparently crave is to desist from committing offences that see them jailed in the first place.
Having said that, I dare say this appeal will succeed and that Ms BGJ will be awarded a sizeable chunk of taxpayers' dosh to compensate her for her “devastation“.
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