zeuhl, actually there are any number of people on this site who have questioned what it is to be British, what does it mean, that showing one's patriotism, for want of a better word largely gets derided as little Englanders, have seen it on here and in the media, if you show a propensity to fly the flag, one is committing a heinous crime, being British used to be something to be proud of, now all you hear, and especially if you are English, is how we created division in just about every country, from India in partition, to the Middle East, all our fault, from the empire downwards, very few things are ever said that are positive about England, Britain, not its innovation, its contribution on the world stage, medicine, law, engineering, technology, but how we put down the worlds poor, from Africa to Asia, its as though we take the brickbats and accept them because we are spineless, never once saying you know what - up yours if you don't like Britain, England, go away and find a place more to your liking, like some in the the Muslim fraternity, Anjem Choudary being just one, he has lots of followers, who seemingly hate us, yet quite happy to bludge off the taxpayer for ever and a day, we are mugs for taking it,