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Your body produces alcohol andy, so are we all to be banned ?
I think complete abstinence whilst intending to drive is not a reasonable expectation, as proven by the many who don't adhere to that extreme.
And indeed it is over the top anyway. Lots of things increase risk, but we don't ban them all: the important thing is not to be irresponsible about it.
Our present legal limit is about right. You can have one or two with your meal and still be permitted to drive safely home.
I think complete abstinence whilst intending to drive is not a reasonable expectation, as proven by the many who don't adhere to that extreme.
And indeed it is over the top anyway. Lots of things increase risk, but we don't ban them all: the important thing is not to be irresponsible about it.
Our present legal limit is about right. You can have one or two with your meal and still be permitted to drive safely home.
Talbot - " ... I have never experienced your 'get as close to the limit as possible, without going over it' culture. I don't believe it exists."
I would suggest that you see it more often than not.
Every single person you see in a pub or club who drinks anything alcoholic and then drives is playing the 'close to the limit' scenario - every single one.
I would suggest that this is probably the majority of people in pubs certainly, and a fair proportion of club-goers as well.
To suggest that every person who drinks alcohol in a pub or club is either being driven by a sober driver, or taking a taxi is simpy not a viable viewpoint.
I would suggest that you see it more often than not.
Every single person you see in a pub or club who drinks anything alcoholic and then drives is playing the 'close to the limit' scenario - every single one.
I would suggest that this is probably the majority of people in pubs certainly, and a fair proportion of club-goers as well.
To suggest that every person who drinks alcohol in a pub or club is either being driven by a sober driver, or taking a taxi is simpy not a viable viewpoint.
Old_Geezer - "Your body produces alcohol andy, so are we all to be banned ?"
I would suggest that it is in such miniscule amounts as to be unmeasureable, so maybe you are simply looking for a diversion of the thread - ?
"I think complete abstinence whilst intending to drive is not a reasonable expectation, as proven by the many who don't adhere to that extreme."
Why not? It's not compulsory to ingest alcohol and drive a car, it can be done without - and in the interests of road safety, in my view, is should be.
"And indeed it is over the top anyway. Lots of things increase risk, but we don't ban them all: the important thing is not to be irresponsible about it."
We will have to disagree then - I regard the notion of Rusian Roulette with a breathalyser as supremely irresponsible.
"Our present legal limit is about right. You can have one or two with your meal and still be permitted to drive safely home."
Not so - if I had 'one or two' i would be swerving all over the road. Are we to suggest that only hardened drinkers who can build up a tolerence of alcohol should be able to drink and drive? What about the eighteenth birthday drinker who passed his test the day before and is having a double celebration - his first drink and his first drive solo? Does that sound like someone who 'drive safely home'?
It is purely because the variables in terms of tolerance and circumstances are so vast that a zero tolerance cuts out any doubt about where the law stands - if you drink, you don't drive, and vice versa.
I can't see what's difficult about that - but I can see why society wilfully refuses to accept it as a potential for legislation - for the reasons I outlined in my first post.
I would suggest that it is in such miniscule amounts as to be unmeasureable, so maybe you are simply looking for a diversion of the thread - ?
"I think complete abstinence whilst intending to drive is not a reasonable expectation, as proven by the many who don't adhere to that extreme."
Why not? It's not compulsory to ingest alcohol and drive a car, it can be done without - and in the interests of road safety, in my view, is should be.
"And indeed it is over the top anyway. Lots of things increase risk, but we don't ban them all: the important thing is not to be irresponsible about it."
We will have to disagree then - I regard the notion of Rusian Roulette with a breathalyser as supremely irresponsible.
"Our present legal limit is about right. You can have one or two with your meal and still be permitted to drive safely home."
Not so - if I had 'one or two' i would be swerving all over the road. Are we to suggest that only hardened drinkers who can build up a tolerence of alcohol should be able to drink and drive? What about the eighteenth birthday drinker who passed his test the day before and is having a double celebration - his first drink and his first drive solo? Does that sound like someone who 'drive safely home'?
It is purely because the variables in terms of tolerance and circumstances are so vast that a zero tolerance cuts out any doubt about where the law stands - if you drink, you don't drive, and vice versa.
I can't see what's difficult about that - but I can see why society wilfully refuses to accept it as a potential for legislation - for the reasons I outlined in my first post.
I would much prefer to be driven by an experienced drinker who has had a couple of pints, has his hands on the wheel, and is concentrating on driving, than a 100% sober nit-wit fiddling with a mobile phone or some form of in-car entertainment device.
Mobile phone use is now the world's leading cause of car fatalities, and yet each year we are bombarded with proselytising films, paid for with our own money, telling us not to drink and drive, - I think we all know that excessive drinking and then driving is a bad idea.
Mobile phone use is now the world's leading cause of car fatalities, and yet each year we are bombarded with proselytising films, paid for with our own money, telling us not to drink and drive, - I think we all know that excessive drinking and then driving is a bad idea.
Every single person you see in a pub or club who drinks anything alcoholic and then drives is playing the 'close to the limit' scenario - every single one.
I would suggest that this is probably the majority of people in pubs certainly, and a fair proportion of club-goers as well.
This will be my last post on the subject (unless someone other than you, andy says something of interest)
My local pub is split into two sections, one half is full of the likes of me who will drink copious amounts of alcohol and then walk home. The other half is full of families eating. The majority of which will have driven there, to suggest what you have suggested above is crass and insulting to those people.
I would suggest that this is probably the majority of people in pubs certainly, and a fair proportion of club-goers as well.
This will be my last post on the subject (unless someone other than you, andy says something of interest)
My local pub is split into two sections, one half is full of the likes of me who will drink copious amounts of alcohol and then walk home. The other half is full of families eating. The majority of which will have driven there, to suggest what you have suggested above is crass and insulting to those people.
jennyjoan - "that was a powerful video but I wasn't convinced that the theatre-goers were in that much of a shock -"
I think it is agreed that this was staged.
The majority of eople in cinemas have turned their mobiles off, or to silent, so the way everyone simultaniously reaches for their phone looks rather odd, and somewhat pre-arranged.
That said, it is a solid message.
I think it is agreed that this was staged.
The majority of eople in cinemas have turned their mobiles off, or to silent, so the way everyone simultaniously reaches for their phone looks rather odd, and somewhat pre-arranged.
That said, it is a solid message.
Talbot - "The other half is full of families eating. The majority of which will have driven there, to suggest what you have suggested above is crass and insulting to those people."
I hardly think that passing an opinion counts as 'crass and insulting', but I maintain that the majority of people driving families will still have alcohol to drink, and are therefore entering the 'gamble' with their alcohol level.
It may be that they only have a small amount - but my point is that small amounts do not equate with small impact.
We already pander to our drink-drivers with the lowest limit in Europe - it's time we stopped pandering to cultural history and started looking at present-day fatalities and injuries, and made an effort to stop them from happening due to an easily eliminated cause.
I hardly think that passing an opinion counts as 'crass and insulting', but I maintain that the majority of people driving families will still have alcohol to drink, and are therefore entering the 'gamble' with their alcohol level.
It may be that they only have a small amount - but my point is that small amounts do not equate with small impact.
We already pander to our drink-drivers with the lowest limit in Europe - it's time we stopped pandering to cultural history and started looking at present-day fatalities and injuries, and made an effort to stop them from happening due to an easily eliminated cause.
from 5 Dec the limit in Scotland is being reduced to 30 from 50..I expect many many more will be caught this year, rightly so, even the day later..I lost a young cousin to a drink driver and know first hans what a devastating effect that has on the whole family..DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE !!!! .....ANYTHING !!!!!
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