Does This Kind Of Thing Only Goes To Alienate People Against Certain Activist's Causes?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/world-aids-day-2014-hiv-positive-activists-dump-manure-outside-ukip-office-in-protest-against-bull-9896255.html

[youngmafbog]

I wonder where they think the money will come from to treat piles of immigrants with HIV?

Pretty sure they won't want to pay for it.

And if anything they have probably got Nige a few more votes !

[Gromit]

It would be irrational to blame people with Aids for the actions of these activists. It would be like blaming laboratory dogs for Animal Liberation Front Bombers.

This was a poorly thought out stunt, and the people who did it deserved to be admonished, but it would take a strange leap to blame the victims of Aids for something that they did not sanction.

[jackthehat]

As a protest it seems to be particularly ill-thought out.
Hopefully, no-one who was 'undecided' about their stance on the issue will have had their opinions swayed negatively......and anyone who already has negative thoughts about HIV and 'activists' will simply have had their prejudices confirmed.

[andy-hughes]

It was a stupid immature idea which will certainly draw negative attention to the idea of people suffering with HIV and AIDS.

The notion that we should exlude people on the basis that they suffer from a disease is bordering on Nazisim.

What next - only people with blue eyes and blond hair should be allowed to breathe?

Mr Farage is in danger of playing into the hands of critics who brand him a fascist - since these are the views and opinions of one.

[sp1814]

Yes, absolutely. When Lord Monckton says that gay men have 20,000 sexual partners in 'their short miserable lives' it's sure to alienate people.

[Old_Geezer]

I'm sick of these Independent links forever showing nothing but some Syrian Electronic Army C rap. if that link works for others there must be a cache issue somewhere.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// The notion that we should exlude people on the basis that they suffer from a disease is bordering on Nazisim. ///

I think talk about Nazism is stretching things a little too far Andy, here is what Mr Farage actually said and the reason for his concerns.

*** Mr Farage told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the UK's public services could not cope with extra demand created by people with severe medical conditions coming to Britain. ***

*** "I do not think people with life-threatening diseases should be treated by our National Health Service and that is an absolute essential condition for working out a proper immigration policy. ***

*** We have leading cancer experts in Britain saying the burden now of treating overseas people is leading to huge shortages in the system. ***

*** About 40% of new HIV diagnoses in 2013 were of people born outside the UK, according to Public Health England. ***

[mccfluff]

just because they were born outside of the uk, does not mean they have not been living, working and paying tax in the uk

[anotheoldgit]

mccfluff

/// just because they were born outside of the uk, does not mean they have not been living, working and paying tax in the uk ///

This is about controlling those who wish to come to the UK, not those who are already here.

[mccfluff]

then why post

*** About 40% of new HIV diagnoses in 2013 were of people born outside the UK, according to Public Health England. ***

[sp1814]

Old_Geezer

Try deleting the cookies you have for the Independent. You are correct in thinking this might be a caching issue.

AOG - to be serious for a moment...I am full of admiration for Act Up, but here I think their response was way over the top, and somewhat childish. It smacks of childishness. It would have been better to engage UKIP on the issues raised, rather than going for the easy option (publicity stunt).

[Daffy6543]

///Yes, absolutely. When Lord Monckton says that gay men have 20,000 sexual partners in 'their short miserable lives' it's sure to alienate people.///

I have a young male gay friend who was unfortunate to contract HIV from his first sexual partner, he has only had one other sexual partner since.
Lord Monckton is obviously a homophobic, uneducated idiot.

[Svejk]

I'd have thought gay people would welcome anything that kept aids 'in check'. What do I know.

[jackthehat]

Worldwide, I think you'll find heterosexuals and their risky sexual practices account for the greater number of people who are HIV positive, divebuddy. But please don't let any facts get in the way of your obvious prejudices.

[Svejk]

It's not prejudice though, is it? As gay people account for 2% of the population it would be astonishing if they accounted for the majority of HIV victims.

[jackthehat]

Erm......quite........

[ludwig]

// When Lord Monckton says that gay men have 20,000 sexual partners in 'their short miserable lives' it's sure to alienate people. //

I make that a different partner every day for 55 years, so if they start when they're 16, their lives aren't actually that short - or miserable.

[anotheoldgit]

Daffy6543

/// I have a young male gay friend who was unfortunate to contract HIV from his first sexual partner, he has only had one other sexual partner since. ///

Yes I agree 20,000 is ridiculous, but how many partners had your male gay friend' first sexual partner had?

[Gromit]

The view that gays are promiscuous is probably 40 years out of date. I don't know if it ever was true, but I doubt it ever was. When homosexuality was illegal in this country, then it discouraged long term relationships, and perhaps a small minority did quickly move from one relationship to another.
But since legalisation there is no reason to do that. Most of the gay people I know are in monogamous relationships that are decades old.