weight of the soul

[loopyc]

i have heard on a few occasions now that when you die your body is 21grams lighter therefore your soul or sprit weighs 21grams (if you have seen the film 21grams you will also of heard this) does anyone know if this is true and if so does our soul die or go elsewhere?

[funkymoped]

21 grams. pardon me for asking a silly question, but does the soul of everone weigh the same ? if so, over the last thousand years there must have been a billion people die on this planet.

im not gonna try to do the maths, but that would be a massive weight. Also, who weighs people on their death bed ? (i havnt seen the film.) could it be that our "heart beat" has a physical weight ? after all, it is little more than a pump and its movement would contain "energy"....

[WoWo]

There was experiments done in the 1800's with regard to this which proved in conclusive at best.

[Ethel]

When you die your bowels and bladder empty to a degree that never happens during life.

This would account for the weight difference.

[undercovers]

the soul doesn't exist in any real sense it is a word we use to express our humanity - the 21grams theory has been discussed here before but i can't find the link i'm afraid BUT if you just google 21 grams + soul there are a million and one pages about it - this is an example http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s1105956.htm

[funkymoped]

undercovers.

do you know for a fact that "the soul doesnt exist" ?

im not a religious man, but wouldnt discount what i dont know to be fact... how many people on this planet have dedicated their life to GOD ? surely the soul is more than "a word we use to express our humanity"

gotta disagree on that one mate...

[Ethmer]

undercover:

You are entitled to not believe in a soul and many of the rest of us are entitled to believe in the validity of the soul. This is a dictionary definition of soul:

soul (sōl)
n.

1. The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.

2. The spiritual nature of humans, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.

3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human.

loopyc:

i've heard of that too but i tend to think it is caused by air expulsion, etc. rather then the soul leaving the body because i perceive of the soul as non-material, more like "force" or energy.

As to where it goes, i believe that the soul goes into a state of awareness between incarnations where it decides what circumstances and probabilities it wants for its next incarnation. When those circumstances are available then it reincarnates.

i choose

i chose to be born, - to live or die,
Even the sex, that would be i;
i chose the race, from which to appear,
Also my wealth, my health and my fear.

i chose my trials and stumbling blocks,
And the legs i would use, in all of those walks;
i chose my sadness, my joy and my love,
i chose to serve and not be above.

i chose this life - with all of its dues,
And with each dawn, again i choose;
The experiences for me that wait ahead,
To be alive, or be claimed dead.

And of the future lives i've yet,
It is my choice that i begat;
All the things, however pleasin',
That shall befall me in those seasons.

[undercovers]

maybe i didn't express myself clearly - i meant that the soul is an expression of the essence of what it is to be human, thus it is devoid of weight or mass or form, rather the word is an expression of our human nature and what many feel makes us unique rather than like all the other animals of the world. I felt sure that this was in no way controversial or dare I say it widely doubted even by the most religious. The 21 grams theory is bad science combined with an interesting spiritualism aspect � the story of the man behind the experiments is intriguing but there is no proof to the idea and I think it is roundly rejected. My rejection of this 21 grams theory is not a rejection of the existence of a human soul � which is a moral question for those of faith rather than a scientific question of weights and measures etc

Funky � no need to apologise for disagreeing with me, we�re all here to put an answer across after all and on topics of the soul everyone�s opinion is just as valid as the next because when you are in a position to prove you are right you suddenly lack any ability to communicate your triumph (from the grave)�

Having said all this I personally do not feel I have a soul that is capable of existence outside my body and feel uncomfortable using the word personally express my essence � though if it turns out I do I shall clearly attempt to haunt the AB and say I�m sorry for disagreeing with some of you.

All the best Undercovers

[funkymoped]

undercovers.

i didnt apologise ! :-)

nice reply to both mine and Ethmer`s little gripe at you.

answered like a man with manners and knowledge.

NICE ONE...