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I wonder if he became disenchanted with ISIS when he got shot? He had probably imagined that he would be killing people from a nice safe distance.
07:39 Mon 19th Jan 2015
//we still should try to rehabilitate those who are disillusioned.//
And if it doesn't work, they make themselves out to be rehabilitated then go on to rage an atrocity, will you be the one to go and explain to families that the reason their loved ones are dead is because of your right-on liberal thinking?
I do see where you are coming from, and for a burglar ok - to a point, but these are people with mass murder on their minds.
And if it doesn't work, they make themselves out to be rehabilitated then go on to rage an atrocity, will you be the one to go and explain to families that the reason their loved ones are dead is because of your right-on liberal thinking?
I do see where you are coming from, and for a burglar ok - to a point, but these are people with mass murder on their minds.
"...but these are people with mass murder on their minds."
For some, that may be true, and helping such people won't happen no matter how hard you try. The problem is that they get mixed in with those who did think of all this as glorious, but then realised that reality is very, very different. Such people shouldn't get lumped in with the first group, and can be rehabilitated, just as almost all types of criminal can be rehabilitated. The effort pays off in the long run.
For some, that may be true, and helping such people won't happen no matter how hard you try. The problem is that they get mixed in with those who did think of all this as glorious, but then realised that reality is very, very different. Such people shouldn't get lumped in with the first group, and can be rehabilitated, just as almost all types of criminal can be rehabilitated. The effort pays off in the long run.
So you are willing to take a chance with ordinary folks lives then so you dont trap a few poor terrorists that dont want to be terrorists. I think we can see where your loyalties lie.
And as I said above, if you get it wrong will you be the one explaining to families? It is peoples lives you want to play Russian roulette with here.
And as I said above, if you get it wrong will you be the one explaining to families? It is peoples lives you want to play Russian roulette with here.
Wow, Blackadder, really?!
I don't have to explain or justify where my loyalties lie, ymb. However, I think helping such people not only helps them, but also the rest of us. Nor am I really playing roulette with people's lives either -- at least, no more than you are, in some sense, because you still have the problem of the misguided whose lives you seem happy to discard as no longer worth trying to improve. And the knock-on consequence is that, again, the root problems remain. You will still have young people, disillusioned with "the West", running away to join Jihad or what-have-you. Not all of them will even run away, some will stay here, and we have seen what they can do. I can't see this problem going away by some sort of crass numerical argument that once "over there" there are fewer here. It has to be tackled actively, by working with those who may wish to run away in the future, and with those who already have but since changed their minds.
Doing neither of these, or doing only one of them, is certainly as dangerous as trying to tackle the problem, and frankly is more so.
I don't have to explain or justify where my loyalties lie, ymb. However, I think helping such people not only helps them, but also the rest of us. Nor am I really playing roulette with people's lives either -- at least, no more than you are, in some sense, because you still have the problem of the misguided whose lives you seem happy to discard as no longer worth trying to improve. And the knock-on consequence is that, again, the root problems remain. You will still have young people, disillusioned with "the West", running away to join Jihad or what-have-you. Not all of them will even run away, some will stay here, and we have seen what they can do. I can't see this problem going away by some sort of crass numerical argument that once "over there" there are fewer here. It has to be tackled actively, by working with those who may wish to run away in the future, and with those who already have but since changed their minds.
Doing neither of these, or doing only one of them, is certainly as dangerous as trying to tackle the problem, and frankly is more so.
///Emphasising that disconnect further not only means that those who made a mistake are excluded from society,///
Made a mistake, JIm, a mistake??? Tipping my pint over is a mistake, driving the wrong way on a one-way street is a mistake.
Sneaking off to Syria for a spot of genocide is what grown-ups call an on-purpose.
Made a mistake, JIm, a mistake??? Tipping my pint over is a mistake, driving the wrong way on a one-way street is a mistake.
Sneaking off to Syria for a spot of genocide is what grown-ups call an on-purpose.
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