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Meddling Bishops Meddling Manifesto
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I was livid to read some of the so called 'Manifesto' Written by meddling left wing Bishops. They tried to claim last night on Newsnight that they were just trying to encourage people to vote to counteract the odious Russel Brand and that it was not party political. I will just pick one comment from this Document which got my back up was
"It is good that unemployment has not risen.as high as was predicted or as high as past experience suggested it would". Don't they know that unemployment has NOT risen at all in the last 5 years it's just dropped massively (much to the disappointment of the two Eds).
It is said that mostanglicans are Conservative supporters. Let's hope they react to this drivel. "Render unto Caesar" and all that, ie. The Church should not interfere with Government.
Just heard in the news that unemployment has fallen again. Lowest for 6 years.
"It is good that unemployment has not risen.as high as was predicted or as high as past experience suggested it would". Don't they know that unemployment has NOT risen at all in the last 5 years it's just dropped massively (much to the disappointment of the two Eds).
It is said that mostanglicans are Conservative supporters. Let's hope they react to this drivel. "Render unto Caesar" and all that, ie. The Church should not interfere with Government.
Just heard in the news that unemployment has fallen again. Lowest for 6 years.
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Mikey, //The Labour Party brought in the minimum wage, soon after they won the landslide 1997 Election.// You consistently offer that pathetic statement as evidence that the Labour Party is the Party of the working man and each time you’ve been reminded that they also abolished the 10p tax rate for low earners and rifled the working man’s pension fund...
00:01 Thu 19th Feb 2015
Mikey, I will never forget the huge landslide victory for the Labour Party in 1997 either. It was euphoric. Unfortunately that disillusioned euphoria was, over subsequent years, systematically eroded and disappointingly replaced by irrefutable stark reality. In 1997 the Labour Party made fools of the working man; it is still attempting to make fools of the working man – and in many instances it is still succeeding – which is why you consistently laud Labour’s introduction of a minimum wage whilst wilfully ignoring its actions in rendering what appeared on the surface to be beneficial, wretchedly ineffectual.
Which party is the party of the working man? None of the major parties – and that’s a good thing because such a mentality discourages aspiration, it discourages independence, it perpetuates long out-dated notions of class division, and by continually and quite disingenuously portraying the working man as a victimised underling it undermines personal self-esteem.
Regardless of income, those who work for a living are doing just that – working to live – and all, without exception, seek to improve their lifestyles, so you have to ask yourself just who the working man actually is. The cloth cap days that you so desperately cling to are gone; Labour is well aware of that, but whilst it can continue to maintain its grip upon the intractable idealistic notions of people who revel in the illusion of past glories, it’s not telling. As such a vocal exponent of education, I’m surprised you don’t realise that you are being hoodwinked.
Thank you, Linda.
Which party is the party of the working man? None of the major parties – and that’s a good thing because such a mentality discourages aspiration, it discourages independence, it perpetuates long out-dated notions of class division, and by continually and quite disingenuously portraying the working man as a victimised underling it undermines personal self-esteem.
Regardless of income, those who work for a living are doing just that – working to live – and all, without exception, seek to improve their lifestyles, so you have to ask yourself just who the working man actually is. The cloth cap days that you so desperately cling to are gone; Labour is well aware of that, but whilst it can continue to maintain its grip upon the intractable idealistic notions of people who revel in the illusion of past glories, it’s not telling. As such a vocal exponent of education, I’m surprised you don’t realise that you are being hoodwinked.
Thank you, Linda.
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-Talbot-
C'mon, Hypo...things have got much better than queuing at the gates every morning to see if they will get a days work.
They will now get a text at home. //
No they won't, they will continue to go around saying ''Gis a job'' I know people who have been out of work for years in the Midlands & this is now what they have to do. Go into business premises & shops & ask if there are jobs available & ask for a signature to prove they have asked. I can tell you it is soul destroying. Whatever happened to the system where one signed on at the Labour Exchange & was given a list of Employers who were looking for workers ?
-Talbot-
C'mon, Hypo...things have got much better than queuing at the gates every morning to see if they will get a days work.
They will now get a text at home. //
No they won't, they will continue to go around saying ''Gis a job'' I know people who have been out of work for years in the Midlands & this is now what they have to do. Go into business premises & shops & ask if there are jobs available & ask for a signature to prove they have asked. I can tell you it is soul destroying. Whatever happened to the system where one signed on at the Labour Exchange & was given a list of Employers who were looking for workers ?
Naomi
I think the concept of the "working man" is out of date and I can't remember using the term for many years, unless it is in reply to you Naomi ! As for "cloth-capped", I don't think I have ever used the phrase at all. But I am from working class stock and will never see the need to apologise for that.
If Labour had not succeeded in its landslide victory in 1997, we would have been saddled with yet more years of a Tory Party, led by the nice but truly weak and ineffectual John Major. The Tory Party was unelectable in 1997 and continued that way for years, unti , at last, they picked somebody who could lead the Party to victory again.
But I will not give way on the Minimum Wage. It was an all-round good thing, despite all the terrible prophecies of the collapse of civilization as we know it, predicted by the Tories when in opposition, although they seem to have changed their tune lately.
In these days of semi-employment, it ensures that at least a minimum income coming in. What wages do you think that Care Workers, for instance, would be paid without the guarantee of a minimum wage ?
We also have devolved Government for both Wales and Scotland...if Labour had not won in 1997, do you think the Tories would have brought in the
necessary legislation ?
Now I must go to work !
I think the concept of the "working man" is out of date and I can't remember using the term for many years, unless it is in reply to you Naomi ! As for "cloth-capped", I don't think I have ever used the phrase at all. But I am from working class stock and will never see the need to apologise for that.
If Labour had not succeeded in its landslide victory in 1997, we would have been saddled with yet more years of a Tory Party, led by the nice but truly weak and ineffectual John Major. The Tory Party was unelectable in 1997 and continued that way for years, unti , at last, they picked somebody who could lead the Party to victory again.
But I will not give way on the Minimum Wage. It was an all-round good thing, despite all the terrible prophecies of the collapse of civilization as we know it, predicted by the Tories when in opposition, although they seem to have changed their tune lately.
In these days of semi-employment, it ensures that at least a minimum income coming in. What wages do you think that Care Workers, for instance, would be paid without the guarantee of a minimum wage ?
We also have devolved Government for both Wales and Scotland...if Labour had not won in 1997, do you think the Tories would have brought in the
necessary legislation ?
Now I must go to work !
Mikey, Had the Conservatives won the 1997 election I have no idea what the outcome would have been - and neither have you – but once again you’re revelling in the past apparently with no real thought for the future. Incidentally, although I too am from ‘working class stock’ as you put it, unlike you I don’t feel it obligatory to remain loyally rooted in the unachievably idealistic politics of my parents. In today’s world the world they knew exists only in the minds of those reluctant to acknowledge that times and aspirations have changed.
You think we've got it bad: try wrapping your head around American politics! I think we're well advanced down the road of imitating them.
The margin between the parties is increasingly narrow, the entrenched positions have a historical basis (as Naomi says, societal structure has moved on* a long way since cloth cap days and we all need to acknowledge that) which affects which groups of people vote for them but, when viewed from a distance, you can only tell the difference by analysing whose pockets their policies aim to fill and who funds their election campaigning.
Always inextricably linked, in both cases but tax cuts for the rich, so that they can write the Tories a six-figure cheque is just blatant. The rise in personal independence means that union membership is nothing like it was. I've never seen figures for their funding sources but would guess that big cheques outweigh union subs, these days. Hardly surprising that they ended up ingratiating themselves to banks and financial instututions and traded the loosening of banking legislation in return for election campaign funding.
In my twisted analysis, of course, credit for that chain of events goes to Thatchler.
* give or take the supposedly illiterate/innumerate school-leavers, we're all highly qualified and thus middle-class, professionals, these days.
The margin between the parties is increasingly narrow, the entrenched positions have a historical basis (as Naomi says, societal structure has moved on* a long way since cloth cap days and we all need to acknowledge that) which affects which groups of people vote for them but, when viewed from a distance, you can only tell the difference by analysing whose pockets their policies aim to fill and who funds their election campaigning.
Always inextricably linked, in both cases but tax cuts for the rich, so that they can write the Tories a six-figure cheque is just blatant. The rise in personal independence means that union membership is nothing like it was. I've never seen figures for their funding sources but would guess that big cheques outweigh union subs, these days. Hardly surprising that they ended up ingratiating themselves to banks and financial instututions and traded the loosening of banking legislation in return for election campaign funding.
In my twisted analysis, of course, credit for that chain of events goes to Thatchler.
* give or take the supposedly illiterate/innumerate school-leavers, we're all highly qualified and thus middle-class, professionals, these days.
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