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Odd Historical Account, Late Roman Empire
I wonder if any history buffs have views or interpretations of the following. Ammianus Marcellinus described an incident around the year 379, when Gothic mercenaries who had been granted 'permission to stay' in the Roman Empire were enslaved and exchanged for dogs.
I'm struggling to understand the significance of this.
Why 'exchanged for dogs' - was this some symbolic humiliation above being enslaved? Was there a sudden need for dogs?
The phrase is repeated widely across all kinds of sources, but not explained.
I'm struggling to understand the significance of this.
Why 'exchanged for dogs' - was this some symbolic humiliation above being enslaved? Was there a sudden need for dogs?
The phrase is repeated widely across all kinds of sources, but not explained.
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.well Josephus describes the triumph of Vespasian after the fall of Jerusalem
and only the leader gets garotted:
http:// www.eye witness tohisto ry.com/ rometri umph.ht m
I thought the others went to the colosseum or were sold
and only the leader gets garotted:
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I thought the others went to the colosseum or were sold
again - the chieftains were put to death - a habit so barabarous we can hardly credit it ...
http:// penelop e.uchic ago.edu /Thayer /E/Roma n/Texts /second ary/SMI GRA*/Tr iumphus .html
a truly incredible number of references
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a truly incredible number of references
There is also a ref to Livy 26 13
Hannibal leaves the Capuans to their devises
and altho the ROmans cant claim a triump as Capua counts as a civil war
they certainly think it can
and the speaker foretells his own death
The English translation is here
http:// www.per seus.tu fts.edu /hopper /text?d oc=Liv. +26+13& amp;fro mdoc=Pe rseus%3 Atext%3 A1999.0 2.0158
Hannibal leaves the Capuans to their devises
and altho the ROmans cant claim a triump as Capua counts as a civil war
they certainly think it can
and the speaker foretells his own death
The English translation is here
http://
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Consider which dog breeds might have had utility in those days and which breeds would have been anachronistic?
eg retrievers have no obvious purpose until guns are invented (unless archers were spectacularly talented) but sheepdogs and rabbiting types would have had inherent value.
Humiliation could be a part of it but captives run away, given half an opportunity whilst dogs loyally carry out their duties. Even the slaves would acknowledge how that would make an owner value the dogs more highly.
Consider which dog breeds might have had utility in those days and which breeds would have been anachronistic?
eg retrievers have no obvious purpose until guns are invented (unless archers were spectacularly talented) but sheepdogs and rabbiting types would have had inherent value.
Humiliation could be a part of it but captives run away, given half an opportunity whilst dogs loyally carry out their duties. Even the slaves would acknowledge how that would make an owner value the dogs more highly.
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