How Dare The Unions Talk About Democracy?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11485156/Unite-prepared-to-carry-out-illegal-strikes-if-Tories-win-election.html

/// The Conservatives provoked a major row with the trade unions over sweeping plans to ban them from taking strike action without the support of at least 40 per cent of their members. ///

/// Mr McCluskey said: "This proposed change in the constitution of the biggest union on these isles marks the sorry place we have reached in our national democracy. ///

So the Unions think that it is a sorry place that we have reached in our national democracy. for the Conservatives to ban strikes unless they have at least 40% support of their members?

[THECORBYLOON]

If there were a referendum on leaving the EU, would folk be happy if there were the added condition that at least 40% of the electorate had to vote to leave for it to be effective?

[sevenOP]

Jim, //At least numerically, the unions have a point. When was the last time that, nationally, a government secured 40% support from the electorate?//

"That analogy doesn’t work. Entitlement to vote in Government elections isn’t restricted to members of political parties, and in fact only a small minority of the electorate hold political party membership, whereas those entitled to vote in union decision-making must be members of that union. With that in mind, I think 40% is extremely generous. "

Obfuscation indeed.
The mind conditioning appears to induce partisan sclerosis in some cognitive abilities.
Trade Union members are not forced to be members of any Union nor are they forced to strike. Non-Union members are not forced to strike.
Kowtowing to generous overlords cannot change the mathematics of percentages.

THECORBYLOON> "ANOTHEOLDGIT do you agree that the 40% rule should apply to the election of MPs? "

Classic example of selective deafness that can be attributed to many on this forum.

[Svejk]

^For a start, unlike strike ballots, there are more than 2 options/parties involved in parliamentary decisions or, indeed, when electing MP's.
Secondly, we have to have a government for society to function. No-one has to have a strike.

[sevenOP]

More obfuscation I see, with a touch of non sequitur.

Strike ballots are the end process of failed mutual compromise.
As I said above *no-one* is forced to strike.
You seem to be forgetting the exclusive options in the 'Aye and No Lobbies'.
http://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/aye-and-no-lobbies/

'Complicit in your own enslavement' IS an option.

[THECORBYLOON]

Yes there are more options to choose from in a General Election but in reality, the only parties that will be first or second in the UK as a whole are Labour and the Tories. There may need to be a coalition with another party such as the SNP to ensure a majority in Parliament but again they may not have the support of 40% of the electorate.

No-one has commented on the percentage of MPs required to vote on legislation and that IS a yes or no option. If it's okay for MPs, why not unions.

[icecreamicecream]

The only people striking will be public sector sorts teachers etc.Us private sector oiks cant afford to go on strike.