Labour Wipeout

[retrocop]

mikey
I know it from the DM what us plebs read but I think it is in the Guardian as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044341/SNP-poised-big-Labour-scalps-Poll-shows-party-faces-unprecedented-wipe-Jim-Murphy-Douglas-Alexander-course-lose-seats.html

As you say,"interesting times." Perhaps Red Ed should cancel his booking with Pickfords.

[Slapshot]

I'm not a fan of two party politics never mind one party like we effectively have in Scotland, but with an opposition as weak as any of them what we have is porobably ok. Biggest problem is that there are no politicians in Scotland worth the money we waste on them bar a few.

But... it's not the SNP's problem that nobody else is capable, Labour couod have done something clever when Johanna lamont quit instead Millibland put his puppet and Admiral Ackbar lookalike Jim Murphy in place, he couldn't argue his way out of a fight at playgroup and who is Willie Rennie the Lib dem guy, never heard of him.

We can discuss and debate but only the 7th will tell, i suspect it'll be a very poor night for anyone other than the SNP in Scotland.

[jim360]

Well yes, democracy sucks for the whole country -- as I've argued elsewhere -- but the mathematics usually works out such that the Tory representation is inflated from about 35% to about 50-odd percent, Labour's from 30 to 45, Lib Dems' drops from 20% to 10%, and so on. Never before has a party's representation across 59 seats (at least, 59 seats that aren't deliberately chosen to make it happen) gone from something like 40% to something close to 90% or more. It's a massive inflation of support -- and what is likely to follow is just generally awful. And really ought to be yet another nail in the coffin of FPTP being a good system.

[tonyav]

I see in in the link that the Italian police have arrested 15 people suspected off Ousmane Camar from the Ivory Coast. What will they do with them if they are found guilty, deport them maybe !.

[tonyav]

Wrong thread, sorry about that ^^^^^^

[steg]

The massive inflation of support is because they are good in government, as I've said, they have been in power up here for the last 7 years,the first 4 of which was as a minority gov working with the other parties on a vote for vote basis. It worked well enough to get them a majority 3years ago and they seem to be getting even more popular. i think The SNP and the other smaller parties would be a good asset to a minority labour gov in Westminster if labour were willing to work with them

[Slapshot]

Problem there Steg is the arrogance of the central Labour Party.... it's no longer the party it set out to be.

[tonyav]

Very true, slappy. Labour isn't the party for the working man anymore, and hasn't been since teflon Tony and his 'New Labour' cronies had power.

[Slapshot]

B Liar and co changed it forever .... no arguement there

[tonyav]

Yes, B liar has the same affect on me as MT does with the tories.

[ichkeria]

I reckon a lot of the reason for the SNP 'surge' is simply a post referendum kickback by people who perhaps grudgingly voted NO to independence but are now taking their revenge on Labour for persuading them to do so!
This is a sort of catharsis : now that the issue of Scottish independence is effectively on the back burner for a long while despite what the SNP say

[steg]

But the "surge" started before the referendum, that is why we had a referendum

[Slapshot]

It's been a long process ichkeria 20years plus and granted a bit stop start for a while now they have really started to get under the skin of people because the policies work fairly well up here, they are popular becuase they are seen to be trying to be fair across society.
Recent surges, in micro-analysis suggest an increasing frustration with all elements of the "NO" parties and though it may be cathartic as you suggest, I suspect it more that the movement to wards the SNP is increasing.
I've always voted for the SNP or what the party stood for except once and that was in September last year...we're better as a sum of our parts. had Devo-max been on the ballot I'd have gone for that

[ichkeria]

I'm talking about the recent surge post referendum. When the referendum was first agreed to no one much imagined that it would be anything other than a NO
Then it looked close for a while before people like Gordon Brown weighed in with his wonderful speech and Cameron panicked and started making promises
There is also the likelihood that people don't like being scared into voting for something even when (possibly even because)they know in their heart of hearts that it is the right thing to do