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1st moon landing in 37 years, unmanned lunar rover. Thought to be a prelude to a manned mission soon.
More proof - if any more were needed - that China is now the worlds dominant superpower?
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and Iran has claimed its second spaceshot, sending a monkey into space (75miles and back) was a success...of course theress no proof of it ..again...last one the monkey at the press conf was a differnt one to the pre flight showing !
Only thing that surprises me about these space missions , China and iran is that it wasnt reported or at least I dont think it was, by the septics or us or anybody else.
anything that moves (and theres not that much going that high !)will show up on radar and god knows what other sat surveillance is up there, and thats without all the spying on the ground thats going on.
perhaps the septics just didnt want to pizz on their parades
Only thing that surprises me about these space missions , China and iran is that it wasnt reported or at least I dont think it was, by the septics or us or anybody else.
anything that moves (and theres not that much going that high !)will show up on radar and god knows what other sat surveillance is up there, and thats without all the spying on the ground thats going on.
perhaps the septics just didnt want to pizz on their parades
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No. China is growing quite fast as an economy but it has a very long way to go before it matches the US overall, or countries like Germany in GDP as PPP per head, or its citizens all have similar standards of living to those in the major Western countries. Doing an unmanned moon landing 37 years after the last manned one doesn't show advanced technology does it ?
Its certainly more ambitious as a marker of vision and commitment than any other country right now, Fred.And unmanned or not, it is certainly more than the US or Russia or Europe are able to countenance right now.
I am no economist, but PPP as I understand it is pretty unreliable as a means of measuring relative economic strengths, and China has surpassed all but the US in terms of GDP,comfotably surpassing Germany. I will agree that the distribution of wealth within China is much more disparate than the developed worlds, but in my view China are well on the way to being the dominant global economy.
And they are pretty much the only national economy that is running a trade surplus, able to buy up organisations, institutions and in Africa virtually whole countries, just so they can use up their surplus.
So yes, the US are technically a long way ahead in terms of GDP, but I think China will outstrip them within the next decade or 2 and their ambitions re Space Exploration are an example of that...
I am no economist, but PPP as I understand it is pretty unreliable as a means of measuring relative economic strengths, and China has surpassed all but the US in terms of GDP,comfotably surpassing Germany. I will agree that the distribution of wealth within China is much more disparate than the developed worlds, but in my view China are well on the way to being the dominant global economy.
And they are pretty much the only national economy that is running a trade surplus, able to buy up organisations, institutions and in Africa virtually whole countries, just so they can use up their surplus.
So yes, the US are technically a long way ahead in terms of GDP, but I think China will outstrip them within the next decade or 2 and their ambitions re Space Exploration are an example of that...
Is the balance of power could be beginning to tip in China's favour? The USA is mired in debt while China goes from strength to strength. And in the South China Sea this small incident seems to show their growing confidence.
It would be a bad day for us all, if it ever comes, where the greatest power shows scant regard for democracy.
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It would be a bad day for us all, if it ever comes, where the greatest power shows scant regard for democracy.
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My my, 3T- touch of dyspepsia this morning? Got out of the wrong side of the bed?
""More proof - if any more were needed - that China is now the worlds dominant superpower?"
If you will notice, the OP was phrased as a question. Many respected economists and politicians recognise the rise of China as a global power. Indeed, daily we see images of national politicians scurrying to curry favour and beg for a few crumbs from the table - the recent trade mission by Cameron is a case in point.
The fact that China is just about the only country operating a trade surplus right now, and is in a position to buy up institutions and organisations in countries like the USA, UK and Germany show that; the UK have borrowed money from China to finance the new nuclear plants. China all but own several African countries, gaining access to minerals and agriculture.
But possibly the most potent symbol of being a global superpower in modern history, since the war - that public demonstration of confidence and of power and technical ability and above all money -has been the space programmes. The landing of man on the moon by the USA in 1969 was not only a great feat of engineering and human ingenuity, it was also a political statement by the US in the ongoing cold war with Russia, one they ultimately won, at least in part simply by outspending Russia.
Since then, the USA have rowed back from space exploration (until very recently with the renewed interest in Mars etc) and other nations, such as China and India are the ones making the political statements through having an active space programme, most especially the Chinese.
How on earth you can read into my commentary "USA- bashing" when I am simply making observations about the global economy and the shift in balance of global political influence is beyond me, unless you are intellectually incapable of appreciating such ebb and flows?
Your view of the world, as judged by comments expressed here in AB, is hampered by your inability to see beyond a simple "right-left" polarisation of every single news event. You are congenitally incapable of expressing a view on any issue in anything other than some kind of "Left vs. Right" platform.
In consequence, the worth and perspicacity of your comments become completely devalued.
""More proof - if any more were needed - that China is now the worlds dominant superpower?"
If you will notice, the OP was phrased as a question. Many respected economists and politicians recognise the rise of China as a global power. Indeed, daily we see images of national politicians scurrying to curry favour and beg for a few crumbs from the table - the recent trade mission by Cameron is a case in point.
The fact that China is just about the only country operating a trade surplus right now, and is in a position to buy up institutions and organisations in countries like the USA, UK and Germany show that; the UK have borrowed money from China to finance the new nuclear plants. China all but own several African countries, gaining access to minerals and agriculture.
But possibly the most potent symbol of being a global superpower in modern history, since the war - that public demonstration of confidence and of power and technical ability and above all money -has been the space programmes. The landing of man on the moon by the USA in 1969 was not only a great feat of engineering and human ingenuity, it was also a political statement by the US in the ongoing cold war with Russia, one they ultimately won, at least in part simply by outspending Russia.
Since then, the USA have rowed back from space exploration (until very recently with the renewed interest in Mars etc) and other nations, such as China and India are the ones making the political statements through having an active space programme, most especially the Chinese.
How on earth you can read into my commentary "USA- bashing" when I am simply making observations about the global economy and the shift in balance of global political influence is beyond me, unless you are intellectually incapable of appreciating such ebb and flows?
Your view of the world, as judged by comments expressed here in AB, is hampered by your inability to see beyond a simple "right-left" polarisation of every single news event. You are congenitally incapable of expressing a view on any issue in anything other than some kind of "Left vs. Right" platform.
In consequence, the worth and perspicacity of your comments become completely devalued.
@3T Your vision of the world and debates here is inextricably scewed by your own right-wing bias, which always triumphs over any objective view of the world. To accuse me of "anti-american bias" in this particular topic is just monumentally stupid.
The point stands - my OP was framed as a question, and follow up post a more thorough explanation.
The point stands - my OP was framed as a question, and follow up post a more thorough explanation.
The OP was a question. The question of whether China have become the de-facto dominant global superpower is one exercising many economists right now, and it certainly arguable whether you like it or not. Even if they technically are not right now, as measured by GDP, their trade surplus with the rest of the world when compared with the USAs crippling debt mountain mean that the pendulum is swinging their way.
You still have failed to offer any evidence to the contrary, just your opinion. You have also failed to support the stupid allegation of anti-americanism. reinforcing my comments about your inability to see past your own right-wing bias.
You still have failed to offer any evidence to the contrary, just your opinion. You have also failed to support the stupid allegation of anti-americanism. reinforcing my comments about your inability to see past your own right-wing bias.
As usual, you take stuff out of context and think it proves your point.An example of reductionist thinking at its most simplistic.
The relative status of the global powers, and which one can be termed a superpower is in a state of flux; Whereas back in the 60-70s there was no question that the USA was the predominant global superpower, that is no longer the case, and by many measures of political and economic influence it could be argued that China has surged ahead whilst the influence and ability of the USA to affect world events has waned. And that was what the question was about.
The relative status of the various superpowers space programmes is, on one level, a good measure of that global hierarchy of influence, and certainly China are the ones making much of the running right now, as this moon mission clearly shows.
And you still have not explained where my "anti-american agenda" is in this thread, a baseless assertion you made earlier; But then baseless assertions are pretty much all you do, aren't they?
The relative status of the global powers, and which one can be termed a superpower is in a state of flux; Whereas back in the 60-70s there was no question that the USA was the predominant global superpower, that is no longer the case, and by many measures of political and economic influence it could be argued that China has surged ahead whilst the influence and ability of the USA to affect world events has waned. And that was what the question was about.
The relative status of the various superpowers space programmes is, on one level, a good measure of that global hierarchy of influence, and certainly China are the ones making much of the running right now, as this moon mission clearly shows.
And you still have not explained where my "anti-american agenda" is in this thread, a baseless assertion you made earlier; But then baseless assertions are pretty much all you do, aren't they?
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