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Ban Grouse Shooting Petition.
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Please sign to end this barbaric practice.
Please sign to end this barbaric practice.
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well there goes the British rural landscape as we know it.
Why don't we end this barbaric practice of living in urban landscapes and with all the negatives that this means in pollution, processed foods, crimes, social isolation and all the rest.
I for one will not be signing it and, Mozz, it's a democratic right of the opposition to express why we won't sign rubbish like this, Balders and me included.
Why don't we end this barbaric practice of living in urban landscapes and with all the negatives that this means in pollution, processed foods, crimes, social isolation and all the rest.
I for one will not be signing it and, Mozz, it's a democratic right of the opposition to express why we won't sign rubbish like this, Balders and me included.
Labour is calling for a review on grouse shooting.
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//No intention of signing.//
Incredible as it may seem, neither have I.
// Baldrick, why do you feel the need to announce that you're not going to do something?//
Probably for the same reason as you feel the need to announce that you have.
//You'd soon sign if it was one of your dog's caught in a snare set by a gamekeeper. Or had eaten some dead animal poisoned by a gamekeeper...//
I imagine that Baldric (and all responsible dog owners) would know that it would be irresponsible to allow their pets to roam free on somebody else’s estate, especially if that land is used for shooting.
Shooting grouse is not something I’d choose to do. But I’ve no desire to stop other people doing so. I’ve eaten grouse and it is very nice. Somebody had to dispatch the one I ate. Those who suggest that we’re “destroying our wildlife” overlook the fact that the said grouse are bred especially for shooting. It’s no different to breeding sheep or pigs for meat. There are some disgusting habits that take place in towns and cities but many people who live in them seem to despise the way of life that people in the country prefer to follow.
There seems to be an increasing number of people in this country who see it as their duty to impose their views on other people. They need to mind their own business. Get on with their lives as they wish and leave others to do likewise.
Incredible as it may seem, neither have I.
// Baldrick, why do you feel the need to announce that you're not going to do something?//
Probably for the same reason as you feel the need to announce that you have.
//You'd soon sign if it was one of your dog's caught in a snare set by a gamekeeper. Or had eaten some dead animal poisoned by a gamekeeper...//
I imagine that Baldric (and all responsible dog owners) would know that it would be irresponsible to allow their pets to roam free on somebody else’s estate, especially if that land is used for shooting.
Shooting grouse is not something I’d choose to do. But I’ve no desire to stop other people doing so. I’ve eaten grouse and it is very nice. Somebody had to dispatch the one I ate. Those who suggest that we’re “destroying our wildlife” overlook the fact that the said grouse are bred especially for shooting. It’s no different to breeding sheep or pigs for meat. There are some disgusting habits that take place in towns and cities but many people who live in them seem to despise the way of life that people in the country prefer to follow.
There seems to be an increasing number of people in this country who see it as their duty to impose their views on other people. They need to mind their own business. Get on with their lives as they wish and leave others to do likewise.
For my part it's not the fact I don't want people to enjoy the flavour of a good game bird on their plate but the methods of so called managing of the moors and uplands to enable these lucrative shoots to go ahead.
The decimation of the natural predators is dreadful.
Clearly explained in the link in the OP.
// Wildlife; the wholesale culling of all predators and Mountain Hares has a disastrous effect on the ecology of these areas and the industry is underpinned by a criminal tradition of raptor persecution which shows no signs of abating. //
The decimation of the natural predators is dreadful.
Clearly explained in the link in the OP.
// Wildlife; the wholesale culling of all predators and Mountain Hares has a disastrous effect on the ecology of these areas and the industry is underpinned by a criminal tradition of raptor persecution which shows no signs of abating. //
I am not sure about killing anything I am not prepared to eat but a mountain hare is fair game (no pun intended) but then, what do I know about farm management or rural affairs.I have never seen protesters outside Richmond or Bushey Park when the annual cull occurs. It has to be done as the animals would eventually starve to death. It's not as though the carcasses are incinerated. The venison is eaten.
Is this about animal welfare? Or some other thing?
Let's assume it's about the first then you may care to consider the harm humans may inflict on their animal cousins.
We kill animals for sport. It's called hunting. As in the grouse thing.
We kill animals for food.
If you realised that both farming and hunting hurt animals and that was your sole concern you would be equally opposed to both, wouldn't you?
But if you acknowledge a reliance on meat as a food source, then, and reluctantly, you say, OK, we need the abbattoir, but we don't need men on horses chasing foxes.
So that's a rational for allowing industrial scale torture, while banning its local artisan forms like fox-hunting and hare-coursing.
But a necessary stance of those believers in animal welfare, but who've accepted for pragmatic reasons a morally compromised position, surely, is that having had to accept a necessary evil we can, at least, mitigate its worst effects. Which is why we have laws governing the transport of animals for slaughter and the methods by which they're killed.
How many people who've signed Melv's petition would sign a similar one banning halal slaughter? Or even care?
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Let's assume it's about the first then you may care to consider the harm humans may inflict on their animal cousins.
We kill animals for sport. It's called hunting. As in the grouse thing.
We kill animals for food.
If you realised that both farming and hunting hurt animals and that was your sole concern you would be equally opposed to both, wouldn't you?
But if you acknowledge a reliance on meat as a food source, then, and reluctantly, you say, OK, we need the abbattoir, but we don't need men on horses chasing foxes.
So that's a rational for allowing industrial scale torture, while banning its local artisan forms like fox-hunting and hare-coursing.
But a necessary stance of those believers in animal welfare, but who've accepted for pragmatic reasons a morally compromised position, surely, is that having had to accept a necessary evil we can, at least, mitigate its worst effects. Which is why we have laws governing the transport of animals for slaughter and the methods by which they're killed.
How many people who've signed Melv's petition would sign a similar one banning halal slaughter? Or even care?
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