Should The Murder Of Jo Cox Be Used To Support The 'stay-In Campaign?

[anotheoldgit]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-idUKKCN0Z6199

/// Witnesses to the Cox attack said the accused, 52-year-old Thomas Mair, was heard saying "Britain first, keep Britain independent, Britain always comes first". Such comments added to speculation the murder was politically-motivated, making it a potentially defining moment in the referendum. ///

/// Opinion polls have painted a contradictory and volatile picture of British public opinion with Remain ahead for much of the campaign but Leave taking a late lead before the Cox murder. ///

[Mamyalynne]

There was comment on a thread last night that some people will vote with their intentions moulded by Jo Cox's murder - as sad as it was those people should think very careful about why they are voting and how it will affect both them and future generations.

We must never let emotion rule our thought processes.

[Gromit]

// Mair was a longtime supporter of the National Alliance, a once-prominent white supremacist group. In 1999, Mair bought a manual from the organization that included instructions on how to build a pistol, the center said. ... In all, Mair sent $620 to the group’s publishing imprint for titles including “Incendiaries,” “Chemistry of Powder and Explosives,” “Improvised Munitions Handbook” and “Ich Kampfe,” published by the World War II-era Nazi party, the law center said.

The Telegraph, meanwhile, reported that "a decade-old website posting identified Mair as a subscriber to S. A. Patriot, a South African magazine that was published by the pro-apartheid group, the White Rhino Club." //

It appears he had links to white extremists, and that tallies with what witnesses heard. Just as islamaphobia increases after an attack by ISIS, then this murder by a far right extremists has a detrimental affect on right wingers. It isn't fair, but thats public opinion.

[bednobs]

no it should not, but thankfully it doesn't appear to have been used by the remainers to support the cause

[andy-hughes]

It shouldn't be used for anything except to highlight the on-going issues around the lack of funding for the treatment of the mentally ill in this country.

[fiction-factory]

Had he actually been diagnosed as mentally ill though, andy? Those interviewed on TV who knew him said they saw no signs- and one was a nurse

[andy-hughes]

fiction-factory - //Had he actually been diagnosed as mentally ill though, andy? Those interviewed on TV who knew him said they saw no signs- and one was a nurse //

Speaking as someone who suffers from mental illness, and takes daily medication, I would defy anyone to recognise any symptoms from looking at me.

We don't all howl at the moon!

[Mamyalynne]

I did read he had many odd ways, largely attributed to his diagnosed OCD - perhaps something else was going on too.

I do agree re the funding of mental health issues however.

[Zacs-Master]

I don't think the article sets out to imply that her death was defining in the way people will vote. The author, to me at least, is saying that it was defining in terms of whether the scaremongering should stop. He's suggesting that Mair may have been driven to his actions by this scaremongering.

[fiction-factory]

I agree with that- I'm just not sure why this tragedy highlights "the on-going issues around the lack of funding for the treatment of the mentally ill in this country"

[Old_Geezer]

He slaughtered another human being and no one sees any sign of mental illness ?!

Meanwhile the murder neither supports nor undermines the arguments for either side so in an intelligent society would have no effect. But in practice there's no accounting for individuals' thought process.

[Baldric]

///There is unconfirmed evidence Mair supported far-Right causes and claims he had mental health problems and had been released recently from psychiatric care.///

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3644847/Woman-MP-Jo-Cox-stabbed-shot-twice-man-makeshift-gun.html#ixzz4C8NfEORJ

[mikey4444]

Gromit...going by what we know, and your excellent post at 16:12, it is looking increasingly likely that this horrible man attacked Jo Cox, because of his twisted political ideology.

My voting intentions for this Thursday haven't been altered by Jo's murder, but it would silly to presume that nobody else's hasn't been effected.

Mamy has said :::: "We must never let emotion rule our thought processes" and she is right of course. But we are all made of flesh and blood and our thought processes are liable to to be swayed. Twas ever thus.

[anotheoldgit]

bednobs

/// no it should not, but thankfully it doesn't appear to have been used by the remainers to support the cause ///

Well it seems to have been by someone, judging from this photograph.

http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20160620&;t=2&i=1142083568&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&;sq=&r=LYNXNPEC5J0WC

[andy-hughes]

fiction factory - //I agree with that- I'm just not sure why this tragedy highlights "the on-going issues around the lack of funding for the treatment of the mentally ill in this country" //

Then please allow me to elucidate -

if successive governments had not sold off mental facilities for prime building land, and syphoned off as much money as they can get away with, there may have been enough in-patient places for individuals such as this to be receiving secure in-patient care, instead of being tossed into the lottery that is laughingly called 'care in the community' (the 'community couldn't give two *** by the way!)

If you treat and secure seriously mentally ill people, you can reduce or even eliminate the tendency for them to act on their urges and murder people in the street.

I hope that clears up any misunderstanding.

[naomi24]

//But we are all made of flesh and blood and our thought processes are liable to to be swayed. Twas ever thus. //

If people are swayed into voting 'In' by this tragedy, it doesn't say much for the common sense of the electorate!!

[Zacs-Master]

A cynical person may say that bunch of flowers was placed there by a story seeking journo. I wouldn't put it past them.

[Zacs-Master]

Naomi, if anyone is swayed to vote either way due to her murder they are seriously politically illiterate.

[sp1814]

AOG

Err...from your question, it would appear that you don't know the name that Mair gave when he appeared in court.

In court, Mair gave the name:

'Death to traitors, freedom for Britain'

He allegedly told police officers that he was a political activist when they arrested him.

A written summary of the prosecution’s case revealed the findings of a search of the defendant’s house. Newspaper articles relating to Cox and ideological material relating to extreme rightwing and white-supremacist organisations and individuals were recovered from the property.

The picture that is emerging at the moment is someone with mental health issues, but not the kind that would suggest such an act of violence.

[DTCwordfan]

Leave were only ahead on (naturally biased) on-line polls, not on telephone ones....let's have our facts correct, AOG.

[Lynn_M]

"Should The Murder Of Jo Cox Be Used To Support The 'stay-In Campaign?"

That's exactly what they're doing, making out that voting OUT is the Right Wing Extremist thing to do. I'm voting OUT, their propaganda isn't going to sway my opinion. Please do the same, vote OUT