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thanks for the info, jjf2003. I was thinking what a nice community this is, how it's about intelligent, fun people sharing knowledge and experience rather than the kind of saddo geeks you get joining Star Trek groups online because they can't relate to people in real life. I don't want to be judgemental of those people, but I used to work closely with people like that and they really are like a different species. So I was a bit disappointed when I read that the meet up had been a disaster. Very glad to hear it went well, will be tempted to go to one myself should the opportunity ever arise again.