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Jeremy Corbyn's Conference Speech
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I can't bear the man, or the toady, obsequious trots who follow him ...
And I think his policies are hair-brained pie in the sky.
But, to give credit (reluctantly) ...
... even though he was talking nonsense ...
I thought he spoke very well at the conference this afternoon.
And I think his policies are hair-brained pie in the sky.
But, to give credit (reluctantly) ...
... even though he was talking nonsense ...
I thought he spoke very well at the conference this afternoon.
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I watched some of it. He has always spoken reasonably well publicly, and has actually probably improved in that regard too.
I also agreed with a lot of what he said, too.
But the appeal is, sadly, still too narrow. It was the head of the Railway Society speaking to a lot of Model Engine buffs :-)
And I felt that his "olive branch" has some way to go to develop too, to judge by some of his remarks.
I thought he spoke out as forcibly as one could expect against misogeny and anti-Semitism, but the proof of that pudding will come later ...
I also agreed with a lot of what he said, too.
But the appeal is, sadly, still too narrow. It was the head of the Railway Society speaking to a lot of Model Engine buffs :-)
And I felt that his "olive branch" has some way to go to develop too, to judge by some of his remarks.
I thought he spoke out as forcibly as one could expect against misogeny and anti-Semitism, but the proof of that pudding will come later ...
"Party members won’t get Labour elected. He forgets they need voters to achieve that. "
Well, that is the problem.
I watched because I was interested to see to what extent he would pitch his speech at the public, rather than the CLPs, and the answer for me was "not nearly enough". One commentator afterwards noted that he could have done more with the "Politics has changed and I am a fundamental part of that" approach. Although really, there's not a lot to play with there.
In any case to be fair, how many of "the public" actually watch these things. I guess the party leader, especially (despite what he claims) such a long way from a General Election, needs to gee the faithful first and foremost
Well, that is the problem.
I watched because I was interested to see to what extent he would pitch his speech at the public, rather than the CLPs, and the answer for me was "not nearly enough". One commentator afterwards noted that he could have done more with the "Politics has changed and I am a fundamental part of that" approach. Although really, there's not a lot to play with there.
In any case to be fair, how many of "the public" actually watch these things. I guess the party leader, especially (despite what he claims) such a long way from a General Election, needs to gee the faithful first and foremost
He needs to ditch that 1948 record - and his cloth cap mentality with it. Banging on about people working together for the same aim - all that sharing and caring nonsense doesn’t work any more. Working people want - and deserve - reward and recognition for their efforts. And as for bleating on about Mrs May being an unelected Prime Minister, so was Gordon Brown but he didn’t mention him. What a disingenuous little man he is. And they need to ditch ‘The Red Flag’ too! That’s also well past its sell-by date.
I genuinely don't believe think he's too bothered about winning an election.
His main mission is to restore Labour to it's core socialist principles, and
if the electorate like the result of that fine, if they don't, oh dear never mind - we've still the biggest party membership in Europe.
That's all well and good, unless you're not a Tory supporter and want to see a credible opposition in place that's actually got some chance of beating them in a general election.
His main mission is to restore Labour to it's core socialist principles, and
if the electorate like the result of that fine, if they don't, oh dear never mind - we've still the biggest party membership in Europe.
That's all well and good, unless you're not a Tory supporter and want to see a credible opposition in place that's actually got some chance of beating them in a general election.
Although Corbyn himself is (understandably) loath to admit it, there is a good deal of similarity between his own rise and Donald Trump's (and, probably to a lesser extent, Bernie Sanders, another old white man who somehow magically appealed to young voters). In particular, the bit about taking on the internal party machine and winning so convincingly is a parallel people would do well to remember.
It's (almost certainly) far enough away from the next election that Corbyn can recover from the party disunity and broaden his appeal. I doubt it very much -- but the mockers had better not be complacent, especially if (as is very possible) May, Davis, Johnson and Fox make a complete mess of Brexit. Where do you think the angry voters would turn then? Not to UKIP, at least not in large enough numbers.
It's fun to point and laugh now, but the joke may yet be on his detractors. In particular I would enjoy a Corbyn victory in 2020 if it meant seeing TTT's smug "I joined for £3 and voted for Corbyn to screw Labour over" grin wiped off his face.
At any rate, now that the Parliamentary Labour Party basically has to shut up or try an SDP thing all over again, Corbyn has time on his side.
It's (almost certainly) far enough away from the next election that Corbyn can recover from the party disunity and broaden his appeal. I doubt it very much -- but the mockers had better not be complacent, especially if (as is very possible) May, Davis, Johnson and Fox make a complete mess of Brexit. Where do you think the angry voters would turn then? Not to UKIP, at least not in large enough numbers.
It's fun to point and laugh now, but the joke may yet be on his detractors. In particular I would enjoy a Corbyn victory in 2020 if it meant seeing TTT's smug "I joined for £3 and voted for Corbyn to screw Labour over" grin wiped off his face.
At any rate, now that the Parliamentary Labour Party basically has to shut up or try an SDP thing all over again, Corbyn has time on his side.
I couldn't condemn anyone to anything even if I wanted to, so I'm not sure why you are bothering to get so uppity about it. Besides, I'm being just a little facetious -- although it *is* true that Corbyn's support in the last two elections was probably slightly enhanced by "fake" voters, such as TTT who, I believe, even admitted as much.
All I'm saying is that such people might come to regret it if Corbyn is able to extend his appeal further (or, more likely, if he comes to be seen as an attractive alternative if the Tories mess up in the next few years). In that case, the sneaky infiltration would have backfired spectacularly. And you would be better off blaming other people for that.
I haven't voted for Corbyn and have no intention of doing so, now or in the future. I am not really cynical about who I vote for (again, TTT has just gleefully admitted to this attitude).
But politics in the last year or so has thrown up surprise after surprise, and it's a mistake to assume that he's got no chance and fail to act as a result.
All I'm saying is that such people might come to regret it if Corbyn is able to extend his appeal further (or, more likely, if he comes to be seen as an attractive alternative if the Tories mess up in the next few years). In that case, the sneaky infiltration would have backfired spectacularly. And you would be better off blaming other people for that.
I haven't voted for Corbyn and have no intention of doing so, now or in the future. I am not really cynical about who I vote for (again, TTT has just gleefully admitted to this attitude).
But politics in the last year or so has thrown up surprise after surprise, and it's a mistake to assume that he's got no chance and fail to act as a result.
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