Are the Left more dangerous than the Right?

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/3ayym72

I included 3 closing paragraphs of my earlier post regarding the BBC's left-wing slant, but some chose to ignore these facts.

I now notice that the Daily Mail have reported on the same facts, regarding Union boss Bob Crow.

Ex Communist Party member Bob Crow, said:/// ‘We should have civil disorder on the streets.’ ///

/// He called on pensioners and benefits claimants to stage sit-ins and bring Britain’s motorways to a halt ///

/// ‘Why shouldn’t pensioners who are having their pensions attacked be able to sit on the M25 and demonstrate?’///

/// He told the far-Left newspaper The Morning Star, ‘If you’re having your benefit cut you can’t go on strike because you don’t have an employer'.///

‘You can crawl away into a shell or go out on the streets and fight'.

[Bobbisox]

the m25 is a bit too far away from me, might do it on the A1 tho', if it was Summer!

[andy-hughes]

Extremism of any colour - religious, social, political, is not helpful to society as a whole.

I do admire Bob Crow for the strength of his convictions, but I feel his call for civil disobedience is flawed and should it be implemented, will fail.

A democracy works because the elected government make our decisions for us for the life of their elected term. You may not always like or agree with thos decisions, but abiding by them as a society is what democracy function - to do any other is to undermine the concept of a democratic state.

No-one wants to experience the cuts that are coming,m everyone knows why were are going to have them - and no-one can seriously imagine that civil disobedience is going to make the government change its views on solutions to our ecconomic woes, or in any way assist the country in getting its debts into a manageable state.

I think Mr Crow - as do some other Union activists - sees a misty nostalgic romaticism in the notion of the 'working man' fighting against the 'capiltalist state'.

I don't believe it was valid then, nor is it valid now.

Are the left more dangerous than the right? No - just equally so.

[jno]

depends, andy: if Cameron's plan for reducing the deficit is to let the bankers keep their bonuses but cut the andy-hughes pension in half, you might decide that democracy isn't working fairly and sit down in the middle of the M25 to protest, and I might think you're right.

[jomifl]

six months after a democratic election decisively threw out the incompetent overspending labour government its trade union cronies are trying to undermine the new government's attempts to repair the economy. So much for democracy. I presume Bob Crowe will not be taking a cut in salary to set an example to his union members.

[jackthehat]

Notwithstanding the banks that are in quasi-public ownership, can anyone please explain to me quite how this or any government are supposed to be able to bestow or withhold bonuses paid to employees of private companies ?

May I have the facts without recourse to moral arguments or indignation ?

[jake-the-peg]

So what was your take on the fuel protestors who did the same thing

Were they dangerous left wing extremists?

Or were they heroic idividuals fighting a corrupt government?

You seem to look at someone's political views before judging their actions

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad

[andy-hughes]

Actually jno, that scenario is being acted out as i write - i work for BT and have seen my pension eroded systematically and with increasing speed, the nearer i get to actually wanting to receive it.

That said, I don;t believe that sitting down on a motorway will make the slightest difference, other than highlighting my views, which is something i woul do in other, hopefully more productive - and less dangerous! - ways.

jake - to whom is your observation directed please?

[jno]

it's the quasi-public ownership bit, jack - a bit like the BBC, say; I can see a moral equivalence there, though no doubt the legal situation is different. If the government pours (our) money into banks they can impose conditions on its use (eg more on mortgage lending, less on bonuses)... if they want, just as they can lean on the beeb to pay Jonathan Ross less. And yet bankers keep bonuses, BBC staff see their pensions cut.

[jno]

well, good luck whatever you propose to do, Andy.

[andy-hughes]

Thanks jno.

I find if you ponder the breathtaking arrogance of those who play Monopoly with our finances for too long, you get a bad head, so i try not to get into it if I can.

Powerlessness is a dreadful thing.

[jackthehat]

That's the way I understand it, jno.
There is NO legal framework to curb the excesses in the Financial Industry/ies and since it is regularly demonstrated that very few have 'a better nature' to which we may appeal...........banging on about big bonuses is a distraction.

[LoftyLottie]

I'm all for demonstrations. We Brits moan and moan yet sit on our backsides and do nothing about it, saying that it won't help. Well if everybody who moaned did something about it then perhaps things would change.

I wan't a revolution.

[jno]

oh, the finance industry used to be much more strictly controlled, with strict rules about who could do what (though I don't think they covered bonuses as such) - it was Maggie's 'Big Bang' that ended all that and encouraged to banks to go on their free-for-all spending in the expectation that the government would bail them out if things went wrong, which they did. Which we all did. Governments can impose restrictions if they want to.

[fredpuli47]

I'm waiting for Bob Crow to speak out against multi-millionaire footballers and their managers, fine examples of the working class proletariat fighting their way in the class struggle !LOL
He's a sincere man but stuck in the past.

[andy-hughes]

The fact is - people with power never use that power to give themselves less of anything.

The baking culture has utterly failed to see that the greed and stupidity of their actions has caused this mess - and why would it? they are able to carry on earning bonuses and playing Monopoly, so why should they bother?

Change of this sort should not be debated, watered down, and hang-wrung over - it should be forced, hard and fast.

No chance.

[anotheoldgit]

LoftyLottie

/// I'm all for demonstrations. We Brits moan and moan yet sit on our backsides and do nothing about it, saying that it won't help. Well if everybody who moaned did something about it then perhaps things would change.///

Great words Lottie, but do you feel the same for what the 'English Defence League' are trying to attain?

[jomifl]

vibes..the voters got what they voted for, It might not have been what they wanted but it is what they voted for. The lib dems have been under-represented in parliament since before I was born and the contsituencies have always been biased in favour of the labour party. Some form of democracy at last?

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// The baking culture has utterly failed ///

I blame Mr Kipling.

Sorry Andy I couldn't help myself : 0 )